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[J-Snake]

It's not hard to beat a typical fps in this regard. It has to occupy more ressources to independently navigate position and aim in a more complex space in the first place. That's why I also think we need something a little more advanced than the xbox360 controller. Btw. TrapThem not only busts a modern shooter but also every mario game. It is designed to enable full combinatory potential of a snes-like controller. How much you will make out of it is just depending on how creative you are in dynamic scenarios. But I never force impossible things, everything is in clean control and you have several options.

Unfortunately not everyone can make a good use of their thumbs like you suggest. So there has to be a native way to enable decent combinatory input amount at once. It shouldn't be a nerdy thing. A possible idea would be a controller splitted into 2 physical parts, something symmetric like two wii nunchucks, you are holding one in each hand. But every finger is resting on a dedicated button. That way you can natively combine any of them at your will, like a piano player.

[gimymblert]

Do you realize piano is hard right? Plus you can use it as a controller through midi interface (and adapt current game with input emulator like glove pie)

see here




see also: keyboard

[J-Snake]

It is like a partial keyboard wrapped into your hands plus 2 thumbsticks. That's the major advantage to a (non blocking) keyboard. The thumbs are resting on thumbsticks, the other fingers on dedicated buttons. A simplified piano plus analog navigation, to put it that way. A real piano is harder than that.

Reason why that real piano playing is hard; There is no concept of a streamlined directional input. Once you get that you are left with just buttons, like on a controller, only you can press all of them in combination at your will.

But like I said, the realistic challenge remains to make a better game, not a better controller. The world has stuck with xbox360 controller clones, at least for a while. You have to look how to put it to good use.

[gimymblert]

the world has moved to touch screen, hardcore gamer and traditional dev didn't had the memo

[J-Snake]

There is the mobile space, and there is the home console space. Home consoles are still using regular controllers (ignoring Nintendo and failed kinect).

[gimymblert]

that's ignoring a lot  . Kinect was great but suffered lazy dev (never provided the correct feedback) and lag (30hz is not enough for the stupid dev implementation of stupid 1:1 move as if you need to literally ninja your way into a game  200hz was needed 120 at least 60 is acceptable). In fact those where solved by eyetoys game on ps2 in the sega superstar compilation, having a small video vignette with clearly label interaction zone and feedback allow you to have great control. The wii balance board had such a feedback with a vignette and labeled area of interest and immediate signalling ...  But given that modern game have 3 frames of input lag already (unless it's nintendo) or more (gta series) it's truly nothing to do with kinect but lazy ass dev 
Even on touchscreen they don't provide auditory feedback to have the strength of input signaling itself with over trespassing of limits, something that where lacking in wii motion game too, fucking nes game used this trick to similate fucking analog on fucking binary input, it's fucking effective fucking laszy dev Y U NO LEARN GAMEDESIGN!!!!! STFU U LAZY U BAD!!!!


lazy dev, ruining video games with one stupid old conventions at the time. 

[Mittens]

http://blogs.unity3d.com/2012/04/01/semantic-game-builder-interface-to-be-integrated-into-unity/

[s0]

that's so 2012

[Mittens]

It's actually a shockingly apt description of a unity prototype i'm currently working on


Also, sadly, the little jape at the end of the post is no less true in my opinion:
 “Sure, this kind of democratization means that there will be some, or maybe quite a lot of games made that are very similar, without a lot of originality or vision – but then again that’s already the current state of the industry anyway.”

[J-Snake]

But realistically speaking, the less precise your description is the less accurate the realization of the game will be. And we all know that tiny details can already make or break a game. The most precise description that produces a game remains the code itself.

But seeing 1000 greenlight submissions per day is certainly a bad trend.

[Mittens]

But realistically speaking, the less precise your description is the less accurate the realization of the game will be. And we all know that tiny details can already make or break a game. The most precise description that produces a game remains the code itself.

But seeing 1000 greenlight submissions per day is certainly a bad trend.

I did some Greenlight voting today, of the 30'ish titles I reviewed, all of them were derivative garbage, the worst part is, they will probably all be getting sold to me via Steam soon

[gimymblert]

It's actually a shockingly apt description of a unity prototype i'm currently working on


Also, sadly, the little jape at the end of the post is no less true in my opinion:
 “Sure, this kind of democratization means that there will be some, or maybe quite a lot of games made that are very similar, without a lot of originality or vision – but then again that’s already the current state of the industry anyway.”

Hey I plan to make that semantic bullshit at whatever form it's possible someday

[J-Snake]

Good plan for a lazy dev.

[gimymblert]

make a game check fail is anything but lazy, it stress all the design knowledge and their application to a limit

[J-Snake]

Make sure your design knowledge isn't too great, otherwise you might end up pushing the lazy button for business.

[oahda]

Oh, god. Remember discussing these creepy and crappy videos on YouTube? Now one of them was actually promoted to me in an ad on top of my search results.

[jiitype]

JOHNY JOHNY YES PAPA EATING SUGAR NO PAPA

I love those videos

[gimymblert]

I SAID MEANING IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN GAMES?

God I can't take that back because it's so true, I thought that transitioning from narrative to gameplay would ease the cognitive grind ... NOPE ... Try translating abstract concept into convincing gameplay FRAMING (so not yet gameplay itself) and you must fit both the culture you depict AND the mythos you build inside that culture ... drive me crazy  It wouldn't be so difficult if I hadn't so many constrain, and I'm sure the end result will have people going "so what?"  it won't be any spectacular 

But then I have 1/8th of it so i'm progressing 

EDIT:
Here is an exercise for you fellow dev, took all the non interactive cinematic of the last of us and turn them in a convincing gameplay who have the same narrative goals, functions and impacts.

[J-Snake]

How about you work on your narrative skills if you care about narrative so much.

[gimymblert]

I care about culture on this game. It's a Caribbean game that's what makes hard so far, because the caraibeaness should not be just a skin I slap on it like we usually do.

edit:
BTW I'll certainly do a game to implement narrative-gameplay idea I got since 10 years, but I need the right story, formalism doesn't give you that.