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[Castle]

 If you have a decent point, you can generalize it and frame it any way you want because you're right and when you're right, anyone who disagrees is wrong

Fishy logic, if you ask me

[DavidCaruso]

Dude's just jealous that Hard Corps: Uprising is a better platformer than Fez could ever hope to be.

[Kramlack]

I don't really know what to say other than, even by Phil Fish standards, that's pretty awful.

EDIT: I wish the article mentioned the reasons he apparently listed for calling Japanese indie games bad.

[DavidCaruso]

@PHIL_FISH So what's your favorite Modern Japanese game

@Reheddeht noby noby boy?

http://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/177113236276125696

EDIT: I wish the article mentioned the reasons he apparently listed for calling Japanese indie games bad.

He didn't call just the "indie" games bad (which would be slightly more understandable, even if it would still prove that he hasn't been paying any attention and/or has bad/superficial taste), he said that Japanese modern games were bad in general and later clarified this from what I saw on his Twitter.

[kummerspeck]

too bad the only good modern game is demon's souls!

[C.A. Sinner]

too bad the only good modern game is demon's souls!

dont forget dark souls

[kummerspeck]

dont forget your face

[C.A. Sinner]

dont forget your mom (in my bed)


>B)

[Tumetsu]

too bad the only good modern game is demon's souls!

dont forget dark souls

You two pretty much summarized my exact thoughts when reading Fish's comment

But yeah, rather douche behavior imo.

[Headless Man]

This really did deserve its own thread for maximum carnage.  This forum has the worst fucking moderators.

[Christian Knudsen]

What the hell? YouTube remembers where you stopped watching a video and picks up from that spot if you go back to it later?!

[Hangedman]

This really did deserve its own thread for maximum carnage.  This forum has the worst fucking moderators.

don't take it personally babe, it's just not your story

[Samtagonist]

There's nothing wrong with criticizing a subset of game development.  It's a problem if you do it without a bit of tact, and you kind of ostracize one poor guy.  I've been to panels, when you go up to ask a question you have the whole rooms eyes on you and it's a lot of pressure for someone who just wants to ask a question.  Maybe it's a little different at other conventions, but all the eyes tend to be on a guy dressed up as Eridan Ampora asking about the role of women in video games.  I feel kind of bad that the one guy got strung up like that, I think that's probably the worst thing here is that it sound like Fish fired back immediately by just saying THE PROBLEM IS YOU SUCK.  I'd like to know if anything he said afterwards had any merit to it, I'm sure the creator of  just had a fucking treasure trove of fantastic things to say to make up for him sounding like a complete jackass.  I'M SURE HE IS IN NO WAY OUT OF TOUCH AND IS NOT BE A COMPLETE SNOB.  NOPE NOPE NOPE.  NARY AN OVERGENERALIZATION HERE.  Still, I'd like to hear exactly what he had to say, if only because I know I can get even more laughs out of it.

[ducktails]

I saw this earlier today on da Gaf. For what it's worth:

Ok well first I'd like to mention that when making this post this is not an endorsement of what Phil said. It was a pretty terrible thing to say and turning around to see the guy's face at the mic made me feel bad inside. I recall his question was about what the panelists thought about Japanese games today and maybe he thought the answer would've been more inviting given the posters that were up in that one bedroom during the movie

Now I haven't really seen any mention of what the criticisms were up to page 5 and from page 13 onward so maybe someone mentioned this but unfortunately nobody's talking about it so I'll butt in a little. I don't remember word for word what is said but this current discussion kind of stinks so whatever.

One of Phil and Jonothan's problems with modern Japanese games (at least what was said during panel) was the amount of hand holding that goes on in them. Fish cited Zelda as an example; LoZ dropped you into a world without any instruction on what to do, you went ahead and figured out how to do things on your own, bombable walls were actual secrets, etc. So basically LoZ had a sense of discovery to it that he really valued. But Skyward Sword doesn't have that; bombable walls are really obvious because there's this crack in the wall, tutorials are too long, the game often interrupts you and makes sure to list out, step by step, what you're supposed to do next, then reconfirm you got it right after you finished or whatever.

Jonothan expanded on that by saying that some games (not sure if he meant Japanese specific) can become too polished, to the point that there's not really any game left because there's no way for the player to try and do their own thing. Basically everything has an arrow pointing to it and "you should go do this!". No sense of vulnerability, no sense of experimentation, a very sterile experience. I only remember Zelda as the example they cited having this problem, so I'm not really sure what other Japanese games they had in mind under that criteria.

Also, they had no problem with Dark Souls and Street Fighter 4. They just kind of went "Dark Souls is good. Yeah Street Fighter 4 is ok".

I probably do them a disservice by writing this up but I believe I got the sentiment of what their criticisms were. Hopefully they'll have something more accurate coming out soon but again Phil's comment was really stupid and I'd hate to be the guy that came up to the mic and heard his fucking awful response.

@Reheddeht noby noby boy?

lol

[Dragonmaw]

This just in: Phil Fish says something dumb and his ego runs rampant. More never, because nobody gives a fuck and this isn't surprising at all.