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« Reply #14475 on: February 26, 2013, 04:08:37 PM »

In practice yes, in social dynamics and the relation we had with art, no.

The reason Modernism was such a huge shift is because before the traditional representation was tied to its spiritual origin. Basically GODS was the keeper of values and beauty, the artist then further interpret in its own style and sensibility but good artist was "gifted" by god, there was no responsibility for the art, at best the artist could be possessed.

This allowed a common framework to discuss the merit of such or such style, there were only one canon. Even invention like perspectives wasn't purely technical but assessed by their symbolic value (vanishing point as everything return to god's eye). The artist status went through many phases (here is a very loose recap for illustration):

- At first the artist and the sacred were the same, monk, priest etc... the sacred were the holder of social power.

- The king and similar title use art to glorified themselves as representation on earth of god, so the artist move to the service to power.

- When the merchant class gained power, they used the tropes of power to their own advantage, creating the "mecenat"  (not sure the english for).

- Ultimately artist start to turned their eyes to the mundane and the pious.

- Which evolve in the glorification of everydays until the artist proclaim his own eyes as sacred with romanticism and separate itself from effective social power.

- But such a tradition was turn toward the external world as a manifestation of god and then a conception beauty as a substitute of god but still holding the same value. As technical understanding allowed deconstruction of reality and render old tradition and the status of artist as obsolete. It allowed deep aspect of art, such as composition to be free from tradition and be explored as itself, which ultimately turn art into design, which is the ultimate mastery of the "craft" by manipulating his atomic component to achieve ANY kind of expression. Beauty has became a personal conception, difficult to share without "gods" as a common reference, artist was "god"

- Postmodern bring the DIY philosophy which furthered the disempowering of artist as a social class, despite the remain of a decrepit high art as a culture, opening the art to many parallel cultures (which robs high art is special place, being just one circle among too many) and bringing access to the mass to the skills and knowledge, placing the viewer above the artist. Art was never as personal and free as today. There is no more gods. But remains of the tradition is still there, we still consider art as a sacred elements that date backs to its origin even if art has tremendously change and our relation to it too.

That's what I called the Promethean history of art, fire was stolen from gods to bring light to humanity.
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« Reply #14476 on: February 26, 2013, 04:27:54 PM »

what you're saying is basically true but i'd say the role of art changed b/c society changed and the role of "the artist" relative to society didn't, or at least not as much. the way i see it, the "autonomy" rhetoric of modernism is just divine inspiration/artistic genius adapted to the ideology of materialism and leftwing politics that was popular at the time.

also im kinda surprised by your positive(?) assessment of postmodernism because i always thought that u advocated modernist formalism.
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« Reply #14477 on: February 26, 2013, 04:34:58 PM »

Well I don't fall into a camp, I recognize the merit of all. Modernist give the strong formalism which allow for analysis and composition, traditionalist give a strong reference to define identity (even if you go against it) and post modernism give you the freedom and humility.
I'm naturally a formalist, it's baked in my brain, but I do the difference between my tendency, my taste and my view on art.
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« Reply #14478 on: February 26, 2013, 05:01:19 PM »

ah that's interesting. your posts in the various "art game" threads make a lot more sense to me now lol. sometimes it's hard to argue with you because its hard to tell where youre coming from.

btw: im coming at this from the music angle moreso than the visual art angle b/c thats what i studied and am most familiar with. im mostly a performer and not a composer so i tend to value content over form. im sympathetic to postmodernism but im against the commodification that often comes with it and i also think it probably worked better for music than it did for visual art.
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« Reply #14479 on: February 26, 2013, 05:10:38 PM »

lol great Wink

On sexism, here is the comment of a female artist in the comic industry

http://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/134f6k/i_am_kelly_sue_deconnick_writer_of_ghost_captain/c7184q1

Fun fact: manga had no distribution system, yet they start to sold million (traditional comics only sell in the 100k) for a higher price and a lower quality (paper, color) and with a non intuitive reading direction with story taking place in a totally different culture ... to girl you weren't traditional comic reader!

THAT'S A HELL LOT OF BARRIER!

Now look at video games ...

note: manga also showed that men can like cute, cuddly things too
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« Reply #14480 on: February 26, 2013, 05:57:21 PM »

I want to be a wizard too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU1xS07N-FA

edit: also dat LCD Soundsystem rip-off.
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« Reply #14481 on: February 26, 2013, 08:02:02 PM »

I want to be a wizard too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU1xS07N-FA

edit: also dat LCD Soundsystem rip-off.

HAHAHA wizards. Looks like a nice thing, to promote programming literacy.
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« Reply #14482 on: February 26, 2013, 08:05:32 PM »

the comments...hahah

"Wow, i feel so far above other people when watching this. I know it sounds egocentric, but I'm 17, I know how to code C, C++, Java, Java-Script, HTML (Hyper Text Markup Language), and what i believe use to be called NBasic. I'm also about 3 months away from being certified in COMPTIA Network+. And seeing all of this, and all the awesome people (Gabe, you especially... but where dafuq is HL3) makes me feel a part of them. Oh, and I can't wait to be a wizzard!"
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« Reply #14483 on: February 26, 2013, 09:37:54 PM »

http://teamcoco.com/video/clueless-gamer-conan-obrien-reviews-tomb-raider
Priceless reaction starting at 6:00
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« Reply #14484 on: February 26, 2013, 09:57:04 PM »

I know it sounds egocentric, but I'm 17, I know how to code C, C++, Java, Java-Script, HTML (Hyper Text Markup Language)

this guy is in for one hell of a reality check when he gets offered a 40k starting job codemonkeying in some basement
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« Reply #14485 on: February 26, 2013, 10:22:53 PM »

I know it sounds egocentric, but I'm 17, I know how to code C, C++, Java, Java-Script, HTML (Hyper Text Markup Language)

this guy is in for one hell of a reality check when he gets offered a 40k starting job codemonkeying in some basement

i can't believe someone can say that seriously...please for the love of god is that a troll..
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« Reply #14486 on: February 26, 2013, 10:25:03 PM »

my neck...
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« Reply #14487 on: February 26, 2013, 10:45:48 PM »

AMD does hair shampoo and conditioner product.

"Use TRESSFX and your hair will be as smooth as silk"
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« Reply #14488 on: February 26, 2013, 11:07:58 PM »

AMD does hair shampoo and conditioner product.

"Use TRESSFX and your hair will be as smooth as silk"

that is really cool...!
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« Reply #14489 on: February 27, 2013, 03:26:33 AM »

I want to buy a 19 inch monitor, and it has a resolution of 1440 by 900. Is this low, high, or normal for a monitor? My friend built his own pc, and he says that it should be at least 1680x1050. However, I know he likes having top of the line quality (He built a gaming pc, for christ's sake). To repeat, is this really HD, or will it be fine for working with text documents, movies, some low quality graphics games... (I think the best quality graphics game I have is batman: Arkham Asylum.)

Thanks guys. Don't want to waste my  Hand Money Left Hand Money Right
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