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[skaldicpoet9]

So I came across this horrible story just a few minutes ago from my hometown of Seattle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9llvTQn8v-c

I am seriously so sick and fucking tired of seeing this shit and not only is the guy in a coma the police deny that the officer was excessive in his show of force.

wtf? Look at the video the cop checks the guy about 10 or so feet form that wall. When he could have merely wrapped hum up and cuffed him.

All of this and the guy was not even the right suspect.

This shit just makes me want to vomit.

Who watches the watchmen?

If you want to see something really disgusting go read the comments about the video here:

http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/1835181-Fleeing-man-in-coma-after-shove-by-Seattle-deputy/

all of these pigs pat each other on the back for putting this guy into a coma. It's fucking sick.

Sorry that is my rant, I just wanted to see what you guys thought of all of this and police accountability in general.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை]

police brutality is one of the most covered-up daily facts of life. for example, there are an average of 18,000 reports of police brutality in chicago per year (almost none of which ever go to trial or are investigated). also, if you grew up in an urban inner city and in low income areas, you have a very different understanding of how the police work than if you grew up in a mainly white suburb, the way the police treat people is totally different in those two cases.

[Super Joe]

people on the internet hate the police. guess why.

[Colonel Mustard]

Why was there a chase at all?

[ஒழுக்கின்மை]

@ Super Joe

it's possibly because on the internet you can actually see recordings of the brutality and such, whereas in traditional media they never cover that stuff

it's also because people on the internet tend to be politically more anti-establishment / libertarian / anarchist, and have political reasons for seeing only the bad parts about the police

[Super Joe]

@ Super Joe

it's possibly because on the internet you can actually see recordings of the brutality and such, whereas in traditional media they never cover that stuff

it's also because people on the internet tend to be politically more anti-establishment / libertarian / anarchist, and have political reasons for seeing only the bad parts about the police

it's because they're stupid. that's why. there are Bad People in the police for sure but that is not representative of an entire organisation. there's a bizarre sweeping anti-police sentiment throughout the internet and its almost exclusively from privileged white middle class people.

the police are necessary and admirable. Support Are Troops

[skaldicpoet9]

Yeah I grew up in the Seattle area the first 16 years of my life and got to know the local law enforcement quite well. The thing that shocks me about this is the fact that it was a Seattle PD and they are generally the nicest cops you will meet in the King County area. If you want to meet some real dick hole cops just go a little but further north to Everett, you'll find them.

The sad thing is I have actually been on the other side of this as well. Cops just seem like they are waiting for an excuse to go completely apeshit on you. I once got pulled over on a bike while drinking underage, the cop told me to put my hands on the car and proceeded to read me my rights as he was doing this though I was looking over my shoulder at him, which he didn't like at all and told me to "turn around, turn around right now!" well I was admittedly a little drunk so I thought he meant to turn around and face him so I leaned up against this cruiser(with my hands still on it of course) and was promptly tackled by about 3 other cops and violently cuffed.

They are just waiting for you to give them any kind of excuse that will justify them showing you who the "boss" is with increasingly violent shows of force.

Why was there a chase at all?

Yes, somewhat, apparently the guy started to "run" from the cops even though he wasn't a suspect. I don't know why he would, I am not saying that he was in the right either though, I am just saying that there was absolutely no reason to check the guy like a fucking NFL linebacker. It is obvious by the video that the guy slowed down and the cop made the decision to bounce his ass off of a wall when he could have just grabbed one of his arms and spun the guy around and cuffed him and questioned why he ran in the first place.

people on the internet hate the police. guess why.

No, stupid people on the internet hate the police, joe. 

This is about holding a indivdual accountable. If you are a law enforcement official then you should aim to try to uphold your professions tenets "innocent until proven guilty", not guilty until proven innocent that seems to be the norm these days.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை]

wait, but super joe, didn't you say you were a socialist? don't socialists believe that the police keep the proletariat down and prevent revolution, and that crime is just a byproduct of class warfare etc. etc.?

[Super Joe]

wait, but super joe, didn't you say you were a socialist? don't socialists believe that the police keep the proletariat down and prevent revolution, and that crime is just a byproduct of class warfare etc. etc.?

politics exist on more than one axis. "left and right" is a profoundly myopic and childish view of important issues.

[skaldicpoet9]

@ Super Joe

it's possibly because on the internet you can actually see recordings of the brutality and such, whereas in traditional media they never cover that stuff

it's also because people on the internet tend to be politically more anti-establishment / libertarian / anarchist, and have political reasons for seeing only the bad parts about the police

it's because they're stupid. that's why. there are Bad People in the police for sure but that is not representative of an entire organisation. there's a bizarre sweeping anti-police sentiment throughout the internet and its almost exclusively from privileged white middle class people.

the police are necessary and admirable. Support Are Troops

There is a growing resentment for good reason. I don't just sit here on the internet browsing for anti-police propaganda. They already do a good enough job at creating their own dissenters. I am out there in the real world dealing with these dicks and yes, the majority of them are, it is just a fact of life I guess. The funny thing is I am nothing but polite to the police every time I have ever gotten stopped by them but they do not return this courtesy.

And no, I am not even close to middle-class dude. I am barely able to go to college because I get financial aid and live in a state where the cost of living is considerably less then where I am originally from. I don't make anymore then around 10,000 a year if that.

Yes, there are bad people in the police, but that is oversimplifying the problem. Do you really think that this is just re result of a couple of bad eggs that are ruining a good thing? That is ridiculous. That is the same argument that people give as to why our government (the US government that is) is the way that it is. Don't blame the system right? Blame the one guy we can pin it all on, like Bush and Cheney were anything but extensions of a failing political system. Sometimes people give way to much credit to these institutions. I blame socialization, people don't believe that there can be anything better because they have been led to believe that this is the best that things can possibly be.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை]

wait, but super joe, didn't you say you were a socialist? don't socialists believe that the police keep the proletariat down and prevent revolution, and that crime is just a byproduct of class warfare etc. etc.?

politics exist on more than one axis. "left and right" is a profoundly myopic and childish view of important issues.

yes yes, was mainly joking. i agree in general that the police are mostly good and do more good than harm. but i also think that the harm that they do do is often covered up, since the police watch after their own.

[Super Joe]

you get financial aid to go to college and post on the internet. policemen in "the real world" have been discourteous to you. wow what a hard burden to shoulder.

how about bope assassinating children in slums. youve never tasted desperate, get outta here with your woe is me tale of first world living.

[skaldicpoet9]

:D

You don't know anything about me whatsoever. But I see what your deal is, you want to be our official troll so be it. So you are trying to say that anything that as happened to me is b.s because I live in the bestest country in the whole wide world and my problems in life are insignificant? So we should just let these assholes fuck us up the ass? Be my guest joe, I am sure you'll enjoy it.

[skaldicpoet9]

policemen in "the real world" have been discourteous to you. wow what a hard burden to shoulder.

Yeah, it is merely "discourteous" to get slammed on the ground by three cops, right? Or how about getting sent to jail for "obstruction of justice" because the police wanted to see my friend and I went to go get him but they didn't like it when I shut the door behind me to go get him (which I had to shut the door as the door blocked the stairs to my roomate's bedroom) and I get taken to jail. Yes, merely discourteous.

Why don't you grow up joe, your shtick is lame and old now.

[Super Joe]

:D

You don't know anything about me whatsoever. But I see what your deal is, you want to be our official troll so be it. So you are trying to say that anything that as happened to me is b.s because I live in the bestest country in the whole wide world and my problems in life are insignificant? So we should just let these assholes fuck us up the ass? Be my guest joe, I am sure you'll enjoy it.

you have Literally no idea what real struggle is

[genericuser]

:D

You don't know anything about me whatsoever. But I see what your deal is, you want to be our official troll so be it. So you are trying to say that anything that as happened to me is b.s because I live in the bestest country in the whole wide world and my problems in life are insignificant? So we should just let these assholes fuck us up the ass? Be my guest joe, I am sure you'll enjoy it.

you have Literally no idea what real struggle is

You have no idea what "real struggle" is. Nobody has that, seeing as there's always someone who has it "worse" than you have:
hey, screw the homeless people in USA, they have no idea of what a real struggle is- there are even poorer people in Africa.

Brushing off problems with "someone has it worse" isn't a good way of solving them.

(yes I fell for the trolling, hardy har har- now go and make that freakin' game)

[skaldicpoet9]

Whatever, I am going to take control of this thread again because all it seems like you want is confrontation joe.

I am merely stating that our current situation is not the greatest possible one that we can be in and there is some definite avenues that we need to cross before we can really establish something here that is good for the people. You sugar coating the situation doesn't help, it is because of people like you that we are in the mess, people that think that we have things so great, the same people that say "if you don't like here why don't you leave" or "you think that you life is so bad look at <insert third world country here>".
This is not helping the problem, yes the U.S. is not some totalitarian state and I never said it was but just because you point out the flaws in a system doesn't mean that you think that things are so bad. Your argument is like saying to a rape victim "suck it up you could have been raped and killed" well, I guess things could be worse right?

Anyways, as of right now I am ignoring your feeble minded, arrogant and insulting comments and will focus on the people that post here that are actually legitimately posting and debating rather than then trying way to fucking hard to be the token troll of the forums.

Have fun talking to yourself, joe.  

[pen]

Your argument is like saying to a rape victim "suck it up you could have been raped and killed" well, I guess things could be worse right?

Actually, in your examples you're either guilty, or doing something that a police officer - someone who deals with criminals every day - could (and in your case did) concider suspicious. Not trying to be an ass, but seriously, your comparison is a bit far fetched.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை]

being guilty is still no excuse for brutality though -- that reminds me of the people who hope criminals get raped in jail. they're already in jail, why punish them even more and wish even more harm on them? the police are just supposed to apprehend people, not try them or punish them.

[skaldicpoet9]

Um, this isn't about me sir, I think that your missing the point. I never said that I wasn't not doing anything wrong in fact...here is a hand dandy quote for you:

I once got pulled over on a bike while drinking underage.....well I was admittedly a little drunk .... and was promptly tackled by about 3 other cops and violently cuffed.

I state so myself, that I was in fact under the influence. However, just because a person is committing a crime, even a non-violent one, then it is alright for a cop to tackle me? Let alone three?

The fact is that THIS GUY IS IN A COMA. What the hell, how is it that some people can just look the other way and act like this kind of violence is acceptable?

Or how about getting sent to jail for "obstruction of justice" because the police wanted to see my friend and I went to go get him but they didn't like it when I shut the door behind me to go get him (which I had to shut the door as the door blocked the stairs to my roomate's bedroom) and I get taken to jail.

And might I just ask you....how is the above "suspicious", i was doing what the cop asked me to do. He said "you mind if we talk to you friend for a second" and I said, "sure, let me go get him" and proceeded to slightly close the door behind me so I could get up the stairs. And then you know what happened? The cop kicked the door open, spun me around and cuffed me. So, how was it that I was being suspicious when I was merely doing as they asked?