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[genericuser]

Looking at the video again, I notice one thing; the guy isn't running like hell, he's walking away.

I don't think he was trying to flee; what he did you would probably do too if a guy came running at you at full speed.

[skaldicpoet9]

That is the thing, they say there was a chase but all I see is the guy looking like he is trying get out of the way of a freight train. There is no excuse why the cop couldn't have just cuffed him right when they were both at the same spot, no he shoves him and the guy flies ten feet into a wall. Then the cop drags him around while the guy is unconscious like a fucking ragdoll. Anyone who thinks that that was warranted needs to have their head examined.

[Chris Z]

you have Literally no idea what real struggle is

Says the guy that trolls on a gaming forum all day.

[pen]

being guilty is still no excuse for brutality though -- that reminds me of the people who hope criminals get raped in jail. they're already in jail, why punish them even more and wish even more harm on them? the police are just supposed to apprehend people, not try them or punish them.

never said it was.

I personally feel that prison should not be a form of punishment, but rather one of rehabilitation.

@Skaldicpoet9:
The video in the first post have nothing to do with my argument (your silly, exaggerated statement)

The only information I had at the time was that you shut the door behind you. If they were looking for your friend because they thought he had commited a crime, they could definetly come the conclusion that when you closed the door you were going to alert your friend, thus helping him escape. Actually, they should've told you why they apprehended you - if not it should be in their report, which is still available to the public in your country I assume?

[skaldicpoet9]

Actually, they should've told you why they apprehended you - if not it should be in their report, which is still available to the public in your country I assume?

Yes, I was charged with "obstruction of justice". My friend had not done anything he was arguing with his girlfriend and someone called the police. The police just wanted to talk to him. I have dealt with the police on several occasions where I had to go get someone for them and never have they done something like this. 

@Skaldicpoet9:
The video in the first post have nothing to do with my argument (your silly, exaggerated statement)

And what silly, exaggerated statement would that be? 

[genericuser]

Your argument is like saying to a rape victim "suck it up you could have been raped and killed" well, I guess things could be worse right?

Actually, in your examples you're either guilty, or doing something that a police officer - someone who deals with criminals every day - could (and in your case did) concider suspicious. Not trying to be an ass, but seriously, your comparison is a bit far fetched.

I think that skaldic's comparison was not about his own examples- it was probably directed at Super Joe and his rambling.

[skaldicpoet9]

Yes, I mostly directing that toward the notion that joe was trying to posit that if your "Struggle" is any less of a struggle then other people's struggles that your concerns are unwarranted.

And yes, I fell for the stupid trolling congrats joe. 

I don't really know where the whole joe thing came from anyways, I guess it was one of the months I wasn't posting here. It just seems kind of childish to keep on with the petty attempts at trying to troll.

We have had a lot of trolls before and while I admit I have and do chuckle at joe's posts I just don't see why sometimes he is genuinely aggressive. I understand that this is an inside joke but if it is just a joke why is it that joe tries to actually incite things? Trolling with nonsensical and the occasional wry, intelligent and clever comment was much more entertaining. If I want to read posts by real trolls I'll go to youtube or some such site.

Sorry, just had to get that off of my chest. I like the dynamic that joe brings, in a lot of ways his posts are very satirical and reflective of our community and I like that aspect of it but on the other hand to really troll and to try and start flame wars is unacceptable, at least to me it is.

[Lurk]

skaldicpoet: I'm not sure about this, but is'nt there an election for the sheriff's office in the US? Can't the citizenry push for change and cleanup by presenting a better candidate? I'm not from the US, which is why I'm asking. If the current sheriff feels political pressure on this case, it might ensure he takes action.

[skaldicpoet9]

Well, hopefully it'll put pressure on someone. I really think that our way of inducting officers into these police organizations need to be re-evaluated. I know too many officers who have no business be in a uniform. This is due to various factors such as education and personal temperament. I find it appalling that so many tense, angry, violent police officers there are. I have traveled all over this country and I see it wherever I go. ((Boston has some of the nicest cops though)). It is obvious to that there needs to be some sort of action against these types of incidents. Police need to be held accountable just as much as we need to be held accountable for our actions within our respective communities.

[Super Joe]

:D

You don't know anything about me whatsoever. But I see what your deal is, you want to be our official troll so be it. So you are trying to say that anything that as happened to me is b.s because I live in the bestest country in the whole wide world and my problems in life are insignificant? So we should just let these assholes fuck us up the ass? Be my guest joe, I am sure you'll enjoy it.

you have Literally no idea what real struggle is

You have no idea what "real struggle" is. Nobody has that, seeing as there's always someone who has it "worse" than you have:
hey, screw the homeless people in USA, they have no idea of what a real struggle is- there are even poorer people in Africa.

Brushing off problems with "someone has it worse" isn't a good way of solving them.

(yes I fell for the trolling, hardy har har- now go and make that freakin' game)

no. there is a point where people have legitimate problems and they need help and sometimes pity. "police dont smile at me and i live comfortably and am educated" is hardly one of lifes great trials.

[Bood_War]

My god. Those comments are just... are just... 

[Lurk]

Skaldicpoet: When I was younger, I had a lot of encounters with the police, not because of anything I did, but the way I look and my peculiar habits- I have long hair, a full beard and I used to walk home drunk at 3-4 in the morning, sometimes from long distances. Let's just say I was'nt looking all that thrustworthy shambling along the side of the road. But I've found that it's pretty easy to defuse tense situations by being simply polite, without being submissive, like you're happy to demonstrate you're a law-abiding part of society, not cowed into showing your identity. I even would ask the officers about how it worked when they typed in my id in their computer, how the checks worked etc, and they would gladly talk about their job- at 4 in the morning, chatting with the drunk guy getting home.
If all else fail, just come live in Quebec

[AaronAardvark]

I find it amazing that the RCMP are able to conduct internal investigations to determine whether the RCMP are at fault for accusations of excessive force.  Only in very rare occasions such as the death of Mr. Dziekanski are these investigations externalized and brought into the public's eye.

Police should not be treated as above the law.
There should be very tight regulations on who can become a police officer.
I'm not saying there should not be police, but there are some serious issues with police organizations in Canada. (Apparently this is also true in the USA)

[skaldicpoet9]

But I've found that it's pretty easy to defuse tense situations by being simply polite...

That is always my policy when it comes to police. I have never or will ever be verbally abusive toward a police officer. Partly out of respect for a fellow human being but also out of the knowledge that cops are very, very sensitive. I have had friends and seen other people who just do not know how to deal with the police. My aunt is one of those people, once the police were called because my aunt got drunk and went over to her neighbor's and destroyed the old man's garden. When the cops came I was the one that talked with them to try and explain the situation. However, my aunt wouldn't have a civil discussion and proceeded to call them assholes and the like. The cops actually asked her if she would go back inside because they would much rather talk to me.

I just don't see why someone would want to initiate conflict with the police, your always going to lose no matter what, they have a lot of friends.

My god. Those comments are just... are just... 

I know, that is the same exact thing that I thought when I read through those. If some people are unconvinced that there is a problem go read the comments that other officers made regarding the incident, they are genuinely horrible, no real sympathy at all.

[Fuzz]

It's fucking Dziekanski all over again. Those comments are terrible. I don't understand how these people can pat the guy on the back and say that it's all proper procedure. They all reference the suspect throwing a bag that might have contained dope; even if he did have a bag full of dope, why the hell should the policemen be allowed to shove the man, who wasn't even running, into the fucking wall?

[Mipe]

You know how the justice system is all about "not guilty until charged"? Well, the truth is that policemen treat everyone as guilty suspects even when they find the real culprit. Everyone is a potential criminal to them.

Just like to MPAA and RIAA everyone is a pirate. So we get to deal with draconian protection that harms the legitimate users more than actual pirates.

Guilty until proven innocent. Even then, you're still a potential criminal and need to be constantly monitored, tased and beaten.

[Piranha]

Guess what someone said on Youtube when someone critized this guy;

"If you don't like policemen, next time you're in trouble, call a crackhead."

[Marmaduke Slam]

Maybe NSFW

[Corpus]

no. there is a point where people have legitimate problems and they need help and sometimes pity. "police dont smile at me and i live comfortably and am educated" is hardly one of lifes great trials.

that was never his argument, or his complaint. "hope this helps."

[jstckr]

Maybe NSFW

Now that's scary.