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« Reply #285 on: June 22, 2009, 10:09:28 PM »

Trolling is art?  Shrug
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« Reply #286 on: June 22, 2009, 10:36:55 PM »

Why wouldn't it be?
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« Reply #287 on: June 23, 2009, 12:38:55 AM »

Trolling is a satirical performance art with audience participation.
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« Reply #288 on: June 23, 2009, 03:34:26 AM »

Trolling is a satirical performance art with audience participation.

I want to laugh at this, but it's actually true.
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« Reply #289 on: June 23, 2009, 10:40:46 AM »

Trolling is a satirical performance art with audience participation.

I want to laugh at this, but it's actually true.

Eh, your loss. I shall laugh because of the fact.  :D
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« Reply #290 on: June 23, 2009, 11:20:38 AM »

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Close - trolling is a satirical multiplayer videogame where one player hosts and the other players can't help joining in as guests.
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« Reply #291 on: June 23, 2009, 11:17:17 PM »

and it's more emotionally engaging than ico
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« Reply #292 on: June 24, 2009, 01:27:57 AM »

and it's more emotionally engaging than ico

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« Reply #293 on: June 24, 2009, 08:43:29 AM »

This thread actually made me cry. I'm not crying over the game or anything, just because most of you are being such dicks to Sigvatr and then to Paul for not condemning him.

Paul, this thread just game me a lot of respect for you, thank you.

I think I'll take a sabbatical from this site, over the last few days, it seems to me that most of the people have turned into arseholes.

Also, just wondering, do people like Damien Hirst? Or any of the YBA for that matter. I wonder how Hirst can be lauded for passing off carcasses and flies eating a severed head as art. If he had made Muslim Massacre would there have been as big an outcry?

EDIT: Also, how do people think they would have felt had the creator been silent? Would it have been accepted more?
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« Reply #294 on: June 24, 2009, 08:53:51 AM »

Also, just wondering, do people like Damien Hirst? Or any of the YBA for that matter. I wonder how Hirst can be lauded for passing off carcasses and flies eating a severed head as art.

Modern Art is usually bullshit. I now have more evidence.
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« Reply #295 on: June 24, 2009, 09:09:03 AM »

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Also, how do people think they would have felt had the creator been silent? Would it have been accepted more?

It was mostly accepted as a satire of the whole hysteria of the War on Terror (tm), before this thread's post. In fact, in his apology to the reactionaries, the author said
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It quickly became obvious to me that releasing this game did not achieve its intended effect and instead only caused hurt to hospitable, innocent people.
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I would like to ask for the forgiveness of Muslims around the world and to make it clear that I did not release this game with ill intent.
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What brought me to create this game in the first place was my frusteration at the lack of distinction in our society between Muslims in general and bad people who are Muslims. I have never been able to rationally equate Islam or its followers with violence and the infliction of suffering and I believe that people who do think these things is where the limelight should be shining at this point in history.

Muslims around the world are suffering because others want them to feel bad about themselves, and those others do not want to listen to Muslims when they try to defend themselves. If any good is going to come to light because of this international scandal that I have caused, then I hope it is that people will begin to listen to Muslims because there is a lot they have to say at this point. They are not doing anything wrong, we are simply not listening to them, and because of this they are suffering.

The media only listens to the shocking and offensive Muslims and then conveys the story to people in such a way that those Muslims become definitive of the religion in general. If you are going to start listening to what genuine Muslims have to say, then you are going to need to open up to them when you see them in the store, on the bus or at work, because that is where you will find eachother. Genuine Muslims don't come out of the TV set or the newspaper, only exciting and infuriating news stories.
source http://kotaku.com/5049613/muslim-massacre-creator-tucks-tail-apologizes

But in this thread, it felt too much like, having sensed the controversy dying down, he wanted to end up the big man, and change his story, or how we would perceive it.

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So ultimately, there was no deeper meaning to be found in Muslim Massacre. It was simply a case of me vomiting some garbage on the internet so I could get it out of my system and move on with life.

But I think he had the right to make that game, and post it, and receive whatever comments people wanted to throw at him- I don't necessarily believe it should've been made though, there would've been better ways to create a controversial game without the controversial title(which I believe is the main cause of the whole scandal).

As for modern art...I studied in art, and I was pretty much disgusted by the classes and what we were 'learning'. People who could'nt even draw properly were encouraged to create 'installations' where the public could read a lengthy text to understand the point. I think art should stand on it's own merit; if you have to explain anything at length past the piece's name, it's pretty obvious you're doing garbage. In art classes, those of us who could draw-paint and sculpt and properly attempt to understand reality were given bad grades and pushed towards a commercial use of our skills(we could make a living out of our passion), while the rest of my classmates ended up teaching art, helping older artists on government subsidies or having a completely art unrelated job. Lastly, the teachers were pretty disdainful of any alternative art styles, like comics and video games(oh, did they hate computers). They gave students the impression these tools were not for 'real' artists. And today, in the performance world, you can appreciate the results of these lessons, with over-pretentious pieces done by people who can't even draw correct anatomy.
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« Reply #296 on: June 24, 2009, 09:18:15 AM »

@acardboardrobot - much appreciated Gentleman

@lurk - there was some change in his explanation for the game, yes, but i see two possibilities here: 1) maybe he felt guilty for being "pretentious" and pretending some greater meaning but decided to be honest and clear it up, or 2) maybe he believed that was his intent then but now (a year or so later) changed his mind about his belief as to what his intent was; as discussed earlier, our intents aren't always clear to us. there are plenty of things in my life that i believed i was doing for reason x and then later decided i was actually instead doing it for reason y. figuring out your own intentions isn't always easy.
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« Reply #297 on: June 24, 2009, 09:24:18 AM »

Paul: But there's no reason for the intent of 'now' being more true than the intent of 'then'. In fact, I could see motives for giving (according to the person's character) a bolder, in your face intent 'now'. Perhaps there was originally no intent beyond making a game to piss people off, so what is given now is closer to the truth, but the whole part about self-discovery is just there to try and sound like a thoughtful person, instead of a childish prankster.
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« Reply #298 on: June 24, 2009, 09:45:34 AM »


Seriously Paul? Go for it? A game about children getting raped in a restaurant? So everything's fine as long as something does'nt DIRECTLY hurt someone?
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This is something I can't really understand. Would a news story published to, in general, a vastly larger audience not cause as much pain for them. I'm from Ireland, and a few weeks ago the shit hit the fan with clerical abuse, but all the news outlets ran many, many, many stories on it. Is that not in essence the same? The only difference would be the format in which it's presented, newspapers write about something, games represent it interactively. It's like all the other games like Operation: Pedopriest or whatever, but this is unacceptable because you get to hear before it's being made. I'm aware this game is hypothetical, just using it for my point. But yeah, this is just snobbery really, you're saying that games can't deal with issues the way they do despite other formats doing the same, often much earlier.
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« Reply #299 on: June 24, 2009, 09:51:29 AM »

@lurk - i don't think anyone is ever entirely either a thoughtful person or a childish prankster, and categorizing people like that is part of the reason i wanted to defend sig -- it just seems too dismissive to treat people like that, especially someone who could write a post like the OP -- as i said early on in this thread, to me it did seem as if he put some thought into it, but also that he doesn't really like people that much; but we can't get him to like people more by constantly putting him down, if you want him to change treating him with respect seems like the better tactic

regarding rape in mcdonald's, this is a bit off topic, but did you ever hear of this weird case? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNdE3_NKQ7Q -- it was a really weird case where someone, just over the phone, got employees repeatedly raped by pretending to be a cop and ordering the managers to do it. and it happened several times. it kind of shows how weak people are to authority figures. this video is of one particular case of it. i think making a game about this phenomenon would be interesting.
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