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« on: July 22, 2009, 08:36:31 PM »

http://www.significant-bits.com/how-i-got-art-for-my-game-part-2

You heard it hear first, folks.  Breaking news: despite my widespread, covert conspiracy to fool the indie games community into thinking that I'm nice, Incubator Games has discovered that I'm actually a racist.

(note that it's an anonymous blog that calls me out by name)



UPDATE: In an effort to address some of the core misunderstandings that lead to me jeering at various posters on the Pixelation job posting boards on a weekly basis, I've written this:

http://gamasutra.com/blogs/AdamSaltsman/20090724/2571/Pixel_Art_Freelance_Best_Practices__Guidelines.php

1 - From beginners (at either freelancing or hiring): was anything confusing or unclear?  Anything you would like to know more about?

2 - From veterans (at either freelancing or hiring): did I get anything just plain wrong?  Any subjects I missed that are particularly important?
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 08:40:35 PM »

This news is hardly breaking for those of who know you.

Asshole.

Holy shit you're also a racist, according to this blog.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 08:43:23 PM »

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“I could smell your cheap, exploitative rates from a mile away…”
RULING WITH AN IRON FIST YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
YOU FILTHY RACIST YOU

But yeah, when it was initally posted on Pixelation, I just read your conversation... I see you made a post today...
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 08:51:13 PM »

i think he has a point in that if people are willing to pay less, and people willing to work for less, let them go at it. not everyone lives in the developed world. $800 for a game's art may seem exploitive to you, but for someone living in, say, indonesia, that's more than they can make in a year any other way, and they'd be happy to work for that. and if someone can only afford to pay $800 for pixel art, i don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to ask if anyone is willing to make the art for their game for $800

that said, singling you out and making a post about you in particular while remaining anonymous himself is pretty immature, yes
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 08:56:32 PM »

Yea, I hope I made it clear in my comments that I have no problem with people not getting paid professional rates all the time for every job!  Shit I did Cave Story Wii for like $5/hour.  HOWEVER, I do have a problem with endorsing those sorts of rates on a very well-trafficked forum that caters to serious artists and serious employers.

Also I think I know who Incubator Games is, but I'm gonna need a little while to confer!
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 08:58:10 PM »

I hope it's not your old nemesis, Nick Nuclear.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 08:59:38 PM »

Also I think I know who Incubator Games is, but I'm gonna need a little while to confer!
LANGDELL!!!!!

No? It was worth a guess.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2009, 09:00:15 PM »

Yea, I hope I made it clear in my comments that I have no problem with people not getting paid professional rates all the time for every job!  Shit I did Cave Story Wii for like $5/hour.  HOWEVER, I do have a problem with endorsing those sorts of rates on a very well-trafficked forum that caters to serious artists and serious employers.

Also I think I know who Incubator Games is, but I'm gonna need a little while to confer!

ah, understandable. i didn't read all the comments there, just his original post. i agree that he shouldn't be saying 'this is how much pixel art is worth', if that's what he was doing
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2009, 09:03:45 PM »

lol, no not edgy tim...I've sent off a couple emails, we'll see if we found Incubator or not Smiley

EDIT - I realize this is kinda vain posting this thread, but this is the first time I got called out by some internet nobody, sort of a internet trash talk virgin I guess Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 09:12:26 PM »

You've already banned the guy from one of the sites he was advertising on, yes? Why not let it go? It seems like a good faith disagreement about what sort of prices he ought to be paying for artwork. (Though it was a little douche-y to call you out by name.)
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 09:16:04 PM »

EDIT - I realize this is kinda vain posting this thread, but this is the first time I got called out by some internet nobody, sort of a internet trash talk virgin I guess Smiley

what, you don't seem to remember the frontpage comments about fathom Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 09:21:35 PM »

what, you don't seem to remember the frontpage comments about fathom Smiley

Touché, sir. Though in my mind those comments were entirely legitimate (Fathom has major flaws) and also not personal attacks!
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 09:23:01 PM »

You've already banned the guy from one of the sites he was advertising on, yes? Why not let it go? It seems like a good faith disagreement about what sort of prices he ought to be paying for artwork. (Though it was a little douche-y to call you out by name.)

Ummm talking it over with the other moderators at least.  I'm not on a campaign or anything here, I just had a need to discuss it I guess?  Not sure...I was hoping also that someone would have a clue who that guy is, but now that I think I know the thread is perhaps not so useful Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 09:25:25 PM »

I'll say this as a good friend.

I think you were being kind of a dick.

Not because you were reprimanding him for wanting to pay a cheap rate, but because you didn't explain yourself enough while doing it.

(I love you.)
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 09:29:02 PM »

i think that kind of comes as part of being a moderator on a forum -- overly nice people make bad moderators. and simply having power may make what you do seem harsher to those without that power.

that said, if i were in that position i wouldn't have moved the thread to the unpaid forum, since that could be seen as insulting, but perhaps set up another forum for 'low pay' jobs as opposed to 'professional pay' jobs?
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