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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2009, 04:22:14 PM »

By the way, the "whole issue with piracy wherein he erased any comments that criticized him" I mentioned is one of the things Rob linked to (the first one, I think). He is such a reprehensible person, it's depressing how even sane people like Kotaku sometimes link to him. Most likely because when you lie you can make your pronouncements very interesting to readers (and it's usually about piracy that he is quoted). Also!

It would be like building a court case with the Time Cube guy as your star witness.
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in a racist fashion and so

on.

However, that's not legal advice, so go ahead.
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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2009, 04:23:39 PM »

Would it change your responses if I changed the topic to 'Evony sues The Guardian for lible'?
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2009, 08:44:20 PM »

I remember bookmarking the bruce blog last year, and then, I don't remember the details, but I remember unbookmarking it because I thought the guy was a moron.

More generally ancient 80s UK devellopers(or people related to game devellopment) like to posture on the internet as if they were personally the inventors of everything in videogames or something. Although, yeah, some of them kicked ass for real, but often they sounds a tad too arrogant.
But the Bruce guy was particularly annoying.
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2009, 08:47:39 PM »

Evony and the company behind it are still something worth fighting against.
Just because they have risqué ads? Or is there some other development I missed?
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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2009, 08:49:54 PM »

Would it change your responses if I changed the topic to 'Evony sues The Guardian for lible'?

Yes, because it changes the entire context of the discussion.

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If Evony is allowed to get away with this, we'll see the same thing happen again.

How do you propose to stop them?
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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2009, 12:05:49 AM »

Someone should sue Jeff Atwood for his own disapproving post on the matter. These sound like the kind of people who could definitely use some more enemies.
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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2009, 06:31:49 AM »

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If Evony is allowed to get away with this, we'll see the same thing happen again.

How do you propose to stop them?
Like I said, spread word of their actions to encourage people not to play it.
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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2009, 06:41:36 AM »


Like I said, spread word of their actions
If you're talking about their cleavage ads, I think everybody has seen them by now, there is nothing to talk about.
Actually they seem to have a large female population of players and I think maybe they don't see the ads as dirty as males do, they might identify more to the character rather than consider it as a sexual object. That's why the early fantasy cleavage ads might have been more efficient.
It would be like if you showed a pic of a muscular half naked barbarian to a male. Most of them would find it cool rather than offensive.
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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2009, 07:24:44 AM »

Actually they seem to have a large female population of players and I think maybe they don't see the ads as dirty as males do, they might identify more to the character rather than consider it as a sexual object. That's why the early fantasy cleavage ads might have been more efficient.
It would be like if you showed a pic of a muscular half naked barbarian to a male. Most of them would find it cool rather than offensive.

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Moi, have you ever known a girl who identified herself with a pair of boobs?



I doubt there's a single girl on the internet who looks at that and says, "Hey, that's just like me: boobs!"
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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2009, 09:12:27 AM »

Uh, there probably are a couple.

Anyway judging by the eagerness of chicks to participate in that depressing queen photo competition I guess their female players aren't nearly as scandalised as the rest of us seem to be.
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« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2009, 10:14:40 AM »

I see the Evony ad everywhere now.
Maybe game-oriented websites should boycott.

they're even on yoyo games, where the average visitor is too young to be attracted to breasts

@Craig Stern - moi was referring to females identifying with the earlier advertisements, not the breast close-up one
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« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2009, 10:26:28 AM »

Actually they seem to have a large female population of players and I think maybe they don't see the ads as dirty as males do, they might identify more to the character rather than consider it as a sexual object. That's why the early fantasy cleavage ads might have been more efficient.
It would be like if you showed a pic of a muscular half naked barbarian to a male. Most of them would find it cool rather than offensive.

Facepalm

Moi, have you ever known a girl who identified herself with a pair of boobs?



I doubt there's a single girl on the internet who looks at that and says, "Hey, that's just like me: boobs!"
Read my post and you'll see I was talking about the "early fantasy-cleavage ads". Those with fantasy characters.
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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2009, 10:50:32 AM »

Um, it looks like Everiss presented a theory about the failure of a company he used to work for, a theory that people disagreed with, and then he corrected a couple of incorrect dates and deleted a bunch of comments. That certainly won't win him medals for journalistic integrity, but I don't know if I'd characterize that as "disgusting."

What's that about journo stalking?

Well, the Imagine thing was a bit of a silly that kicked it all off although calling his complete revision of history in order to blank an especially dark slate on his CV "a theory" is umm, letting him off light y'know? Especially considering how well documented the demise of Imagine is (ffs, it was filmed for the BBC!) and how it contradicts everything Everiss himself had said before then. It probably means little to US folks, but it's a seminal point in UK games history - a company that so utterly lived beyond its means it makes the story of Ion Storm seem like My Little Pony and one that exploded very publicly on TV. And Everiss was partly responsible for that demise. Not fucking playground pirates.

And when I said "disgusting" I was referring precisely to Everiss' behaviour afterwards. For around 3 months later he obsessively stalked Stu Campbell (and fuck knows why he didn't pick on me, John Walker or anyone else involved in the comments section - we got off light I guess or he just couldn't dig up any shit on us), at one point in a comments section comically asking him out for a fight (granted, this was at least funny). Some of it I touched on in my piece but it went on much longer and much further than that and was really fucking creepy and icky. He's a nutjob.

Suing over honest criticism is a blow to free speech everywhere. Bruce himself isn't the point here.

Actually, he partly is. You know there's a right way to do things and a dodgy way to do things and Bruce has a way of stating his bizarre opinions as fact. He doesn't research, he doesn't care, it's blog hits and controversy all the way. It really was only a matter of time before someone came along and attempted to drag him through the courts. Yes, Evony are shits but you can't divorce that from Bruce's blog hit seeking ways. He'd shit on your gran if it meant he'd get 10 more visits to his blog. And it's that hit seeking that got TCE named in the legal letter and it's only the fact that he's now banned from innumerable places on the internet that stopped his stuff getting spread further and more people ending up with threatening letters on their desks.

It's all very well taking up the sword of righteous justice against Evony, cock knows they deserve all the flack they get, but you've got to have the context of how this situation emerged and that hinges *entirely* on how Everiss operates.

He's not anywhere nearly as righteous or as innocent as he'd have you believe and that *is* important. I appreciate most of this probably sounds petty or means nothing to most people on here, but if you'd seen first hand the way Bruce operates then you'd not be so quick to leap on this.

i don't know anything about this bruce guy, or imagine for that matter, but i agree that i don't see what the big problem is with him. so he blames piracy for the fall of his company 20 years ago, when it's not entirely piracy -- so what? are people disgusting just for rationalizing their faults and blaming others instead of themselves, and for stating opinions as facts?

also, if there's something wrong with merely stating opinion as fact, why do you say things like (recent example, from memory) 'geometry wars is definitely better than such and such a game, in this order, all other orders are wrong' -- isn't that stating an opinion as fact? why is that not disgusting, and him saying some magazine failed because of piracy is?

his faults seem like the faults of being merely human (the rationalizing animal), which everyone does, whereas evony's faults seem like faults that actually not all that common in regular folk: suppression of free speech, inappropriate / deceptive advertising, stealing images from others and using them in their advertisements without permission, etc.
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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2009, 02:02:37 PM »

Those of us who are members of the Chaos Engine forum (which Bruce has now been banned from) may have a little bit more insight into the disingenuous rubbish he spouts on a regular basis.
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« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2009, 02:06:11 PM »

sure, i understand unlikeable people -- maybe he's a troll like super joe or skofo, or maybe just a very unlikeable / hostile person like kon-tiki or cas (all people who have been banned from this forum), but being unlikeable doesn't mean you're a bad person; has he actually ever done anything harmful to people?
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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2009, 09:39:16 PM »

That would depend on who you asked I guess. I would simply say that he isn't somebody who you'd ever want to use as a reference or reputable source of information. He's also somebody whose life's mission appears to be to drive traffic to his blog by any means. I imagine he's pretty pleased about this Evony thing.
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« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2009, 07:37:39 AM »

Paul, did you miss the part where I said it's not the bollocks he writes that I find disgusting?

However, if anyone would like to know why they chose Bruce and not Jeff Atwood or the majority of the other critics, here's your starter for ten:

http://www.arksark.org/blog/2009/07/05/evony-a-patchwork-of-stolen-parts/
http://www.n4g.com/up/27692/submissions.aspx
http://www.wonderlandblog.com/wonderland/2009/07/popcaps-evony-ads-parody-for-plants-vs-zombies.html
http://mu.ranter.net/civony/civony-update-free-game-apparently-funded-by-thousands-of-stupid-world-of-warcraft-players
http://www.popehat.com/2009/07/10/how-not-to-sell-me-on-using-a-web-product/
http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/07/gamesetlinks_questing_for_evony.php
http://knol.google.com/k/bruce-everiss/evony/2l81m4yln1pbt/43?domain=knol.google.com&locale=en#

Oh, y'know, just google Bruceongames Evony or Bruce Everiss Evony and keep turning them there links up. You'll be here for a month turning up his spam.
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