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I'm just confused how one thing can be more indie than the other. I mean, Cave Story was made by Pixel, and as I understand it he's just one man. Can you get anymore independant than that?
Although I did like the idea of the Indiecyplodia. Be a heck of a bugger to do though...
Also, I think it's called 'The Home of the Underdogs'.
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« Reply #161 on: July 24, 2007, 05:22:34 PM » |
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I think we should do two list.
A short list of only the essentials in each category.
and the large unlimited list for when the begginer has tried everything and wants to know more.
Also it could be useful to reference all good indie games available, I don't know it could be useful for other purposes.
The larger list should be linked to from the shorter list.
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« Reply #162 on: July 24, 2007, 05:28:18 PM » |
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I'm just confused how one thing can be more indie than the other. I mean, Cave Story was made by Pixel, and as I understand it he's just one man. Can you get anymore independant than that?
Although I did like the idea of the Indiecyplodia. Be a heck of a bugger to do though...
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« Reply #163 on: July 24, 2007, 05:48:49 PM » |
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I think that with a really long list you should mark which one Beginning Indie players should check out first. That way beginners won't find themselves randomly searching through a long list of games they know nothing about.
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« Reply #164 on: July 25, 2007, 07:37:31 AM » |
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This list is up to Guert I believe. The one that may be eventually featured on TIGS front page would be edited by Derek I assume. I'd hope that that one was more streamlined. If it becomes an encylopedia of all indie games, then its useless.
Its supposed to be a few awesome games that will introduce new players to the scene.
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« Reply #165 on: July 25, 2007, 08:53:46 AM » |
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Agreed! I'll think about the whole list and I'll see what I'm gonna do with it. I'm open to all suggestions...
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« Reply #166 on: July 25, 2007, 05:45:35 PM » |
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You spelled Nikujin and knytt wrong :O
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Alien Hominid
Its just like every second flash game, kill, run, kill...
Akuji the Demon
Found it pretty boring and not challenging. Furthermore there are allready enough excellent Jump'n'runs in the list(e.g. N, Cave Story, Ninkujin...)
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« Reply #167 on: July 25, 2007, 06:47:59 PM » |
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I'd kick N out in favour of Akuji the Demon. N lacks alot in its presentation. You can't get somebody to play a game that looks like that, while you definitely can with a game that looks like Akuji the Demon. Plus, I played through Akuji twice, straight after each other, and had an absolute blast with it  |
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« Reply #168 on: July 25, 2007, 06:48:31 PM » |
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« Reply #169 on: July 25, 2007, 06:51:29 PM » |
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« Reply #170 on: July 25, 2007, 08:09:32 PM » |
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Akuji is a pretty bland platformer and doesn't really add anything to the genre. It's cute, it's fun, it's honestly pretty boring. Even if you don't like N's presentation (which I think is a damn shame), it's just a much more interesting game. You can't get somebody to play a game that looks like that, while you definitely can with a game that looks like Akuji the Demon. N has already gotten many times more people to play it based on its own merits and is heading to consoles now, so... Instead of spinning our wheels on this topic further, let me ask you guys if you think it'd be a good idea to "vault" games in their own forum. Essentially start a database of games. Not necessarily the best games, but indie games that are finished and somewhat interesting and well put together. I was hassling Jeff to set up a separate database for this so we could do advanced searches and stuff, but in the end I feel like SMF does the job. We can have a list thread like this one stickied at the top to sort them. Use polls to rate games, etc. Would be nice to be able to discuss these games, rate them (probably a "Recommend: yes/no" type thing), post screens and other information (walkthroughs, etc.). I'd probably give a few trusted members the ability to post games and everyone else can comment (well, members only). My only worry is that this is somewhat redundant since we also post games on the front page, although the front page to me has always been for news and "hey check out this game!" type thing, whereas this forum would be more of a real archive. This would be a more fruitful move at this point than discussing which games are indier and which ones aren't. For the beginner's guide FEATURE I will be selecting the games involved and the format in the end. Because putting the ultimate decisions to committee inevitably end up with nothing getting done. (But it's a great way to make the final decision easier). Thoughts? |
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« Reply #171 on: July 26, 2007, 03:37:53 PM » |
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Hmmm... I like the idea of a vault versus a beginners guide. I think the list I'm making should be about 50-75 titles, but we could make another list with alot more titles, like a vault. It would be divided in numerous ways. I'll see what I can think of. Anyway, post your suggestions! PS: Thx Derek  |
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« Reply #172 on: July 26, 2007, 04:12:18 PM » |
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I don't know if there's much of a point of doing it if its just going to be on the forums. It won't be easily search/sort-able, people won't see it as readily, etc. A site like Lemon Amiga for indie games would be super awesome. |
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« Reply #173 on: July 26, 2007, 04:57:41 PM » |
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Instead of spinning our wheels on this topic further, let me ask you guys if you think it'd be a good idea to "vault" games in their own forum. Essentially start a database of games. Not necessarily the best games, but indie games that are finished and somewhat interesting and well put together.
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« Reply #174 on: July 26, 2007, 07:15:05 PM » |
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Okay, sounds good. Jeff said he'd be willing to set up an archive all the search options we need. Just a matter of when he has the time. I may end up hooking it up to the forum so that people can discuss the games separately. From what Jeff told me, SMF (which is PHP-based) is not easily integrated with Rails, which is what Jeff wants to use to set up the archive. Thanks for the input.  |
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« Reply #175 on: August 06, 2007, 07:22:51 AM » |
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Done. For now. Hot off the presses. http://www.tigsource.com/features/spirit.htmlConsidered adding sections to Part 1 explaining "casual versus hardcore" and "the scene," but then realized that it was just divisive and that I didn't care enough to talk about it. Might find it worth it after I wake up, if someone convinces me. But I think there's enough of that all over the rest of the site. Parts 3 and 4 will come later. And will probably be about one or more of the following topics: 1. Developers 2. How to make your own game 3. The future It was that Michal dude's terrible "best indy (art) games" list that eventually pushed me to put the finishing touches on this thing. Let me know what you think, guys! I will publicly announce it after I get some sleep. EDIT: Oh yeah, probably lots of little typos and broken links and weird grammatical weirdness. Please let me know about them. |
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« Reply #176 on: August 06, 2007, 07:46:23 AM » |
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This is excellent!  I see you've included Varicella on the first page - glad you've gotten around to playing it! So, what did you think? |
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« Reply #177 on: August 06, 2007, 07:51:23 AM » |
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You know, most people go on dates with other people, not xboxs.
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« Reply #178 on: August 06, 2007, 07:56:41 AM » |
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Great work Derek. A great list and really well presented. Well done everyone Thanks! Looking forward to the rest! one thing - you spelled "Eyezmaze" without the first Z. |
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Just pointing out that Addictinggames' .swf version of N you've linked to is illegal, seeing how it's been decompiled from the original game. Not to mention it's based on an old version (1.2, the newest one being 1.4), lacking many key features and hundreds of levels. The correct link should be this. |
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