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« Reply #120 on: July 16, 2007, 02:03:56 PM » |
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Something about a list of 'canon' for a genre I've never heard of makes me a bit uncomfortable... especially when I've read many of the books on that list, and a fair number of my favorite books are up there.
What is this obsession with 'genrefying' everything you come across? Does anyone else feel that our compulsive need to classify so hamfistedly in a sense reduces all these great novels? Where's the similarity between The Trial and Gravity's Rainbow?
It makes me very sad when people co-opt the works of great authors to fill their silly little lists. Labelling something as 'slipstream' doesn't give you any information about the book you don't already know -- all it does is breed a perverse association between entirely unrelated books on the basis that they are weird.
I think I can pin down what it is about this that makes me uncomfortable. It's the definition of slipstream as 'a kind of writing which simply makes you feel very strange.' Placing Invisible Cities in that category is like filing The Seventh Seal under 'movies about chess.' Yes, it sort of fulfills that description, but it's hardly the crux of the work, is it? So what's next for the idea of 'genre?' Perhaps someone would like to campaign for the recognition of 'films with barrels in the third scene' or 'rock songs with sparse hi-hat arrangements?'
I know this is unrelated to indie games, it just makes me kind of furious when people pull this stuff.
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« Reply #121 on: July 16, 2007, 06:00:26 PM » |
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Pacian, ultimately what I'd like to do is to have a separate "Introduction" thread for IF games, just like what we've got for "doujin shmups" right now (contributed by Postman). So, I don't know, if this is something you're interested in, I'd love to work with you on such a feature at some point.  I know Echo and Shih Tzu are knowledgeable about the IF scene, too, so it would be great to get contributions from them. I'd probably act mostly as an editor / organizer, although I've been saying for ages that I want to get into the current IF scene. I was really into text adventures as a kid. |
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« Reply #122 on: July 16, 2007, 06:36:03 PM » |
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What is this obsession with 'genrefying' everything you come across? [...]
I almost didn't link to the Wikipedia entry for slipstream, because it's so lame. If you check out Bruce Sterling's essay in which he coins the term to describe something he observes to be growing in literature, it's not quite such a dumb idea. |
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« Reply #124 on: July 17, 2007, 02:59:14 PM » |
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So, I don't know, if this is something you're interested in, I'd love to work with you on such a feature at some point. Sure, anything I can do to help. I'm no-one special, though, I expect you could find lots of people more qualified to help than me. I like to think I know a reasonably good selection of contemporary IF games, of many different genres and styles - but I also admit I'm largely ignorant of the history of the genre, and the workings of its current community (although I've been looking for an excuse to learn). |
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« Reply #125 on: July 18, 2007, 09:22:58 AM » |
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I'd just like to say that I've updated the list.
I'll try to update the list massively during this week.
Later!
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« Reply #126 on: July 18, 2007, 02:41:56 PM » |
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I'd just like to say that I've updated the list.
I'll try to update the list massively during this week.
Later!
Awesome, Guert! I filled in "Peacemaker" for you. It's my bad, I keep calling it "Peacekeeper."  |
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« Reply #127 on: July 19, 2007, 02:35:20 AM » |
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Man, this is such a great thread! My suggestion for this list would definitely have to be Battleships Forever. This game is an awesome RTS that is somewhat inspired from Warning Forever. The game is posted here: http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/game/battleshipsforeverIf any of you guys haven't tried it out, definitely take a look! |
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« Reply #129 on: July 19, 2007, 07:33:14 AM » |
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The best part of making this list is finding all sort of great new games. I think I'll need a couple of weeks off just to play all those games that I haven't had the time to try out! Keep 'hem comin'! :D |
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« Reply #130 on: July 19, 2007, 10:00:11 AM » |
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A Tale of The Desert's been around for aaaaaaages and aaaaaaaages. I'm amazed nobody here's heard of it yet. Then again, it's not mainstream indie :D
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« Reply #131 on: July 19, 2007, 11:49:08 AM » |
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I've heard of it from /., I just wasn't very interested in playing it.
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« Reply #132 on: July 19, 2007, 02:48:51 PM » |
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I played that a while ago. I liked the idea of the economy always driving toward the ultimate goal of creating pyramids... very educational, covering so many walks of life, and interesting how a natural hierachy develops, and clever how you're rewarded for helping newcomers understand the game. Clever, really.
It's just that I found travelling around sooo punishing that I didn't come back.
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« Reply #133 on: July 19, 2007, 04:25:41 PM » |
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Updated the list...
I added a Mac-Linux-Other sort for those who don't want to play on PC only
I still need a name for the developers of:
Armadillo run
Big Adventure of Owata's Life, The
Cave Story
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Guardian of Paradise
La Mulana
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Shoot the Bullet
Any help would be appreciated... Thanks!
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Armadillo run - Peter Stock Cave Story - Pixel (I'm amazed you had to ask  ) Cholo - Ovine By Design Fraxy - Mon Guardian of Paradise - E. 'Buster' Hashimoto (I'm amazed you had to ask ) La Mulana - GR3 (I'm amazed you had to ask ) Rameses - Stephen Bond Shoot the Bullet - Team Shanghai Alice |
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« Reply #135 on: July 19, 2007, 06:16:06 PM » |
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The reality of one's mind might be the wildest dream of another. It might be very obvious to you who created certain games but I'm a newcomer in this indie world. It's also part of the reason why I created this thread: when I started a few months ago I didn't know where to look. A list like this would've helped me out. Creating it really helps me actually  Maybe I didn't look at the right place for the info, perhaps I didn't look deeply enough in the websites... Yet, I didn't know who created them exactly, without a trace of a doubt. No hard feelings, just pointing out that not everyone has as much knowledge about the indie scene as others. I'm the first to say that I need to learn more about it! To me, that's the whole point of this list. Anway, thanks alot for the names! I'll try to update the list very soon! Thanks! |
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« Reply #136 on: July 19, 2007, 06:32:17 PM » |
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No problem. Those three're just the most famous ones, and the ones most likely to get in official magazines and the likes Btw, you forgot to add Motocross Challenge |
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« Reply #137 on: July 19, 2007, 06:34:41 PM » |
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I didn't want to impose! Thanks again! |
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« Reply #139 on: July 23, 2007, 09:25:57 AM » |
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Can you help me out a bit here by pointing me where I could find them? Y'know, a website or the dev's page?
Thanks alot!
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