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[gimymblert]

Also, most writers don't know the many intricate rules relating to their language, instead relying on an intuitive understanding which often makes their prose more poetic. Writers rarely have a detailed, meticulous, academic knowledge of linguistics and etymology, and if they do it often makes their books worse (Tolkien, for example)

Poetry is not an instable technical system.

Ouch, that's so untrue, when it works it give illusion of stability, but arriving at that point is mostly explosive, oups you run out of word of a certain length, alliteration, rhymes, because of grammar and dictionary? well that's a whole paragraph that dies. Maintaining those iambic pentameter  is a delicate balance, that's why not everyone is Shakespeare and computer take longer that heat death to produce similar works ...

[Cobralad]

they also have bayonetta fro platinum games bayonetta

[s0]

Also, most writers don't know the many intricate rules relating to their language, instead relying on an intuitive understanding which often makes their prose more poetic. Writers rarely have a detailed, meticulous, academic knowledge of linguistics and etymology, and if they do it often makes their books worse (Tolkien, for example)

at the same time trying to gain your own deeper understanding and coming up with your own conclusions sometimes leads you down paths that you wouldn't go down if you did things the traditional way or used existing tools.

[Schoq]

the greenlight submission fee is curation

if a developer doesn't believe in their game enough to back it with 100 dollars then you can be sure valve do not want to try selling it on their store.

no this is not what curation means

[Dragonmaw]

Also, most writers don't know the many intricate rules relating to their language, instead relying on an intuitive understanding which often makes their prose more poetic. Writers rarely have a detailed, meticulous, academic knowledge of linguistics and etymology, and if they do it often makes their books worse (Tolkien, for example)

at the same time trying to gain your own deeper understanding and coming up with your own conclusions sometimes leads you down paths that you wouldn't go down if you did things the traditional way or used existing tools.

For sure. My point is that there isn't a "right path" to make a game, and that you don't have to hand-code an engine to understand how your game works. As in all things, games are a creative process, and however you decide to go about that process is Correct.

[Alevice]

What matters is the end result anyway.

[RyanB]

For every shitty game made in Unity there are at least one hundred half-assed attempts at making an engine.  

[s0]

What matters is the end result anyway.

still interesting to talk about the process, esp on a site for *\*creators*/*

[AlexRamallo]

Whether you're writing poetry, making a game, or painting a picture, the actual value of what you create depends nothing on how you made it. It depends on what your audience sees in it (with or without influence from your marketing efforts). Even a painting made of pure gold wouldn't be worth as much as the Mona Lisa, made of paint on canvas.


With that said, MY perceived value of someone's Unity game is my own, based off of my own personal life experiences and whathaveyou. Being a game developer myself, I recognize the sheer amount of effort that goes into releasing a game. However, I am also able to recognize a lack of effort on someone's part when they do release a game, whether it is made in Unity or from scratch.

When I see a shallow Unity game released, and, worse, being SOLD for real money to real people, I get annoyed. Why? Because as technically impressive as it may be thanks to Unity, a game is not code. Unity is there so you can realize your ideas without having to waste time writing a bunch of code that other people already wrote. So what I ask myself when judging the value of a Unity game is:

What did this developer add ABOVE what Unity already provided for him?

If the game had shitty art, shitty audio, shitty writing, and shitty ideas, then it is a shitty game to me. Even if it does have amazing special effects, physics, and assets the dev pulled off the marketplace, if they weren't able to add anything original themselves that wasn't shitty, then their effort was shit, and their game is shitty. If other people are content paying money for such a low effort, that's their business.


Also,

Writers rarely have a detailed, meticulous, academic knowledge of linguistics and etymology, and if they do it often makes their books worse (Tolkien, for example)

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that 

[Schoq]

this poorly thought out analogy explains how I rationalize my feelings regarding unity games:

[ProgramGamer]

Ok can we all just accept that starting a thread to bash an engine which allows people to make games easier was a mistake from the beginning especially on a GAME CREATION FORUM!!??

[Dragonmaw]

Writers rarely have a detailed, meticulous, academic knowledge of linguistics and etymology, and if they do it often makes their books worse (Tolkien, for example)

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that 

Lord Of The Rings Is A Bad Book But A Great Setting: A Play In 500 Acts By Me, Dragonmaw, The Most Curmudgeonly Member of TIGsource

[gimymblert]

Pfff LISP is king

[J-Snake]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=498834616

[Dragonmaw]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=375057179

[gimymblert]

For every stupid product there is plenty amazing product that wouldn't be possible any other way so ... this game  can be played for a while.

It's not like " real programming™ "  prevented shovelware and game scam in the first place, you can do the same by following an C++™ example too.

[Cobralad]

i think that relates more to human ethics and dignity

would you release a game like that for sale?

[J-Snake]

It's not like " real programming™ "  prevented shovelware and game scam in the first place, you can do the same by following an C++™ example too.

It cannot prevent it, but a lower level approach would certainly reduce the load of poor "red paintings" I mentioned previously. A game creator has to realize that a real game is running on hardware, not in his fantasy. The more he understands the fundamental technicalities which drive all the happening in the game, the more competent he will become in his craft. A fool with a tool is still a fool. That is why countless sandbox games created in Unity will remain a mess and won't make it to a mature game. It is not necessarily because of Unity itself, but because of the mindset we have been adapting.

[Dragonmaw]

Nope.

[Alevice]

What matters is the end result anyway.

still interesting to talk about the process, esp on a site for *\*creators*/*

Yeah, but the truth of the matter is that it is relevant on a devlog, not as a general discussion that border on wther you are a true game dev(tm) or not