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[JWK5]

NOTE: Most of this (aside from the two following images which I just made) is transplanted from other threads in the forums that I posted in. I wanted to just collect it all until I have a chance to make a proper tutorial (which I hope to do soon).






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I picked up the principle from a book (the name of which escapes me but I'll go look and post it, and possibly scan some of it, a little later) as it applied to body mass movement and energy transfer but I found that the concept applies elsewhere as well. The basic principle (as it applies to body mass) is as follows:



But really, what the curve (opposite of a flat) is telling you is that force (and energy) are being applied to the curve and the flat is rigid in response (in order to counter-balance the shifting of mass). The energy bounces throughout the body in this constant transfer and allows us to defeat gravity and stand upright despite it.


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Your muscles are kind of like a rope-and-pulley system, when a muscle contracts it pulls on surrounding muscles which in turn pull on other muscles, ligaments, tendons, etc. that are wrapped around the bone. For example your biceps (when the contract) pull your forearm inward (through connected muscles) and your triceps pull your forearm downwards extending your arm. Squats are so tough on your thighs because your thigh muscles are part of the system that pulls your lower leg closed or causes it to extend. Your muscles NEVER push, only pull.

That bulge you see is a major shift in muscle and body weight that triggers a closing movement or an extension (stretch). Your body has to counter-balance itself, if you throw too much weight to one side you fall over. When one part of your body contracts to stretch another part, another part of the body must also contract to counter the weight caused by the first contracting mass, and so on.

If you stick your butt out then you have to counter its weight with your chest, arms, legs, etc. to keep your balance. When you do so you are creating bulges to counter your butt's bulging mass. It might be your abdomen muscles contracting to pull your torso downwards and folding inward or your lower back muscles pulling your torso straight to stretch it to upright position, etc.

It is a little confusing, but if you really look at images of people you'll see it.




EDIT: The leg is a tricky one but a good example of what's going on.



The upper muscles of the thigh have a kind of X threading and the pull from the top of the thigh on the bottom of the lower leg. The muscles under the thigh actually pull on the muscles on the top of the lower leg, causing it to swing downward. The muscles behind your knee play a role in maneuvering your foot muscles.

The muscles of your upper back work your neck (pulling on the back of it to bring your head up and tilt it back, etc.) while the muscles in your upper chest pull to bring your neck forward and tilt your head down etc. It is all a system of opposing pulling and contracting and counter-contracting.

[JWK5]

One more quick image here.



You can see that the point of all this is to keep he body balanced across a center line (thus properly resisting gravity). The further out your thrusting curve is on one side of the line the farther out it should be on the other to maintain balance. Also note how the arms and legs tend to maneuver themselves to support the body weight (either by carrying the weight or aiding in counter-balancing).

[herror]

'Let's draw girls in poses' aka 'Energy transfer'

AWESOME!!


Left to right: 'the kitty', 'the drunk stripper', 'oh so hot...'



And here: 'handjob in high heels', 'fuck from the rear', 'in the mouth', 'dog roleplay'



Sorry man, this thread just made me really sad sad sad and angry 
Please post more males, and some realistic poses.
(aside of 'drunk stripper', of course, that is a pose you can see while dancing.)

[JWK5]

I love how you re-post all those images I posted just to attach crude innuendo to each of them and then have the audacity to imply that I am the one sexualizing everything. The poses were meant to be quick examples of exaggerated movement to help give an idea of how the energy moves, they weren't meant to be anything sexual (in fact, no breasts or anything were drawn in at all). If you can't pull your head out of the gutter that's your problem, not mine.

That being said, and regarding the more reasonable part of your post, here:






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Feel better now?

[JMickle]

piss jwk5 off, get cool pics

[Hedgehodg]

Interesting read, nice post.

[ink.inc]

wow rude

[JWK5]

What gets me is that Herror says "Sorry man, this thread just made me really sad sad sad and angry" and has all these very specific and vulgar descriptions of each of the pictures but did s/he not even try to consider other possibilities or use a little imagination at all? And let's suppose all the poses were of females, what is wrong with that? Would Herror be equally sad and angry if they were all male? How does the gender, or even whether or not the poses were erotic, change the lesson the images were meant to explain?

If the whole point of the post was to say "Hey, can you throw some masculine poses in there?" or something then why not just skip the negativity and just say that? Also, why did s/he need to re-post images that were posted directly above his/her post? It just causes more page loading time and bloats the post space for no good reason.

I think some people just look for a reason to be retaliatory, even if they have to invent one.

[herror]

I don't want to fuck the topic so here's my 2 cents.

You NEVER bend your spine backwards, unless you have high heels, or while stretching (after waking up, trying to reach something higher than you, etc).
(heels make you bend your spine to restore your equilibrium and makes the butt and chest slightly higher).
If you look at the kid, he's leaning backwards to look at the camera, but the spine doesn't bend.

Note that all the poses that do this are unnatural, and lacking stability.
Example, the dwarf is actually not falling or trying to get up. When you are lying in the ground you tend to bend the spine towards the gravity.

Another note, usually, any mobile section of the body has a flat and a curved side, as you said, but usually is nice to look for a general direction line, as you did with the second boxers. Having all the body following a direction gives it lot of dynamic, splitting in lots of different directions is more likely to mess things up if you don't know exactly what are you doing. At least this works for me.

And yes, sorry. I should just have said: post more males, post natural poses, add some photo reference. But I was annoyed Sorry man, don't take it personal.

[JWK5]

The set of grayscale doodles were a joking jab at what you were saying that I quickly scribbled out in MS paint to make the point "it's all how you look at it", they weren't actually meant to be taken seriously or to demonstrate any kind of real effort.

The poses they are based on are ridiculous for the most part, I don't debate that and like I said previously, they are quick exaggerations I made just to demonstrate the general idea, but they aren't pornographic like you were making them out to be (which is what irritated me).

In any case, it's all good. I'm not angry about it, but I recommend that in the future you try a polite approach first.

[moi]

the dwarf is totally asking for it

[JWK5]

If you remove the girl between the dwarf and the character on the left and then slide the two together the picture does turn pornographic.

[Evan Balster]

Well, what are you waiting for? 

More seriously, this is something I've been thinking about from a more programmerly perspective lately.  I want to make something similar to IKinema Runtime (since it's too damn expensive for me to license) which computes character postures based on center of gravity, contact points, and other stuff.

It's probably worth noting how having characters off balance creates more of a dynamic look in the scene.

[JWK5]

No, the golden rule is if you're off balance you're either falling, floating, underwater, or somehow propelling yourself off the ground (such as during a run, leap, roll, dive, etc.). Even then you are only off-balance momentarily between the key moments of your movement, your body will almost always try to right itself.

What makes a pose look more dynamic isn't a lack of balance, but extreme balance. Take a look at the following:



You can see that even though the poses appear to be off-balance in actuality the bulk of the body weight is kept centered allowing the figure to remain upright despite the heavy leaning in their poses. Another thing to note is that in all cases one foot is always between the shoulders or both feet are fairly evenly spread apart.

If you try and stand on one foot you can only remain balanced if at least one foot is between your shoulders (thus centering the bulk of your body weight over that leg), if not you fall over (though you can compensate a bit using the weight of your limbs).

[moi]

not gonna get an answer LOL