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[William Broom]

I'm not so sure. Sigvatr has only made 47 posts, as opposed to Super Joe's 768.

Sigvatr's trolling currently amounts to about 41 pages, including this thread and the original feedback thread for Muslim Massacre.

Super Joe has 71 pages in the BAN SUPER JOE thread, there are also a lot more posts in response to him elsewhere on the site but it's hard to say exactly when a post can be said to be made as a result of Super Joe's trolling. However I remember a thread that he started with the phrase 'grab your dick' that went on for several pages. So let's round Super Joe's total up to 80.

Now, 41/47 = 0.87

While 80/768 = 0.10

So in terms of reply-pages per post, Sigvatr wins.

All this is just talking about how successful the troll is on Tigsource. If you take into account all their successes, Sigvatr is indisputably the champion since he has been called out by Muslim clerics, raided by ASIO, is famous on 4chan, has his own ED page and so on. Super Joe on the other hand is pretty much unknown outside of Tigsource.

[Shade Jackrabbit]

Ooh, valid point. I didn't think to check the percentages.

Well, either way I'm rooting for you SuperJoe. I'll be your cheerleader, even if you're the loosing team.

[Mipe]

You are kinda missing the fact that this thread has been derailed so many times; most of those pages don't even refer to the OP and people are too lazy to start a new thread on the topic or use a PM.

[William Broom]

The same could be said of BAN SUPER JOE though. Measuring troll efficacy is not an exact science.

[Movius]

Don't forget that has Sigvatr has actually made a complete game too

[William Broom]

If anything I think that reduces the quality of his trolling, in the same way that Super Joe having more posts means he has a higher mark to hit. A good troll should cause as much anger and consternation as possible with the least amount of effort on his part.

Imagine if Sigvatr had said he was going to make Muslim Massacre, had posted mockups and artistic statements, but had never actually done any work but still got the same reaction from the public. That would make him an even greater troll.

[Lurk]

Is'nt it a bit unfair to call Sigvatr a troll though? He started a thread, explaining the reasoning that went behind creating a controversial game. People responded, according to how they felt about the game, the man and the explanation. The subject went through different sub-themes that still could be linked to an unifying one: Is everything, should everything be acceptable in video games? At the least, Sig's game spawned a discussion where we can realize we all have our own 'unacceptable', whether it be racism, sexism or child abuse.

[shig]

super joe is a troll !?

[JoeHonkie]

Is'nt it a bit unfair to call Sigvatr a troll though? He started a thread, explaining the reasoning that went behind creating a controversial game. People responded, according to how they felt about the game, the man and the explanation. The subject went through different sub-themes that still could be linked to an unifying one: Is everything, should everything be acceptable in video games? At the least, Sig's game spawned a discussion where we can realize we all have our own 'unacceptable', whether it be racism, sexism or child abuse.

This is all true.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை (Paul Eres)]

Is'nt it a bit unfair to call Sigvatr a troll though? He started a thread, explaining the reasoning that went behind creating a controversial game. People responded, according to how they felt about the game, the man and the explanation. The subject went through different sub-themes that still could be linked to an unifying one: Is everything, should everything be acceptable in video games? At the least, Sig's game spawned a discussion where we can realize we all have our own 'unacceptable', whether it be racism, sexism or child abuse.

This is all true.

Not exactly -- I don't have an 'unacceptable' when it comes to games. I think some games are stupider than others, yeah, but I don't think there's such a game as a game that shouldn't have been made.

[JoeHonkie]

Not exactly -- I don't have an 'unacceptable' when it comes to games. I think some games are stupider than others, yeah, but I don't think there's such a game as a game that shouldn't have been made.

Right, but the discussion was about that topic is what he's saying, primarily.  But I get you.  Yeah, I'm all for doing whatever you want.

I think the main thing that annoys me about Sigvatr is that it was pretty obvious what reaction he would get, even down to the Feds getting involved.  If you are going to do something with that sort of consequences, be prepared for the result.  But hey, maybe he knows that now.  Learning experience, etc, etc.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை (Paul Eres)]

i don't think he wasn't prepared or didn't know -- everything in his OP seems to point that he did know what reaction he'd get.

also, relevant quotes i found related to the game of recent late:

Muslim Massacre is, according to its creator "fun to play" but "The Muslims represented in the game aren't meant to be based on actual Muslims."

As for an after-the-fact artist's statement, Vaughn is quoted as posting on the SA forums that “If I was to try and come up with a meaning for the game at this moment, it would probably be something along the lines of metaphorically destroying the stereotypical depiction of a Muslim.”

I think it's pretending to be legitimate commentary and I'm sure there will be lots of people who defend it on those grounds, but ultimately it's just a game where you blow the gently caress out of arabs... Anyone is free to believe whatever they won't (sic) though, because I don't even know how to interpret it myself anymore. the bottom line is that I enjoyed making it and it's fun to play...

but i doubt this'll change most people's perception that he's just trolling unfortunately

[JoeHonkie]

I think he wasn't expecting the degree, despite knowing the reaction.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை (Paul Eres)]

possible, but i don't find gullibility annoying; he might just be young or inexperienced -- i mean, he posts on something awful, which is like a den of 15-20 year olds

[Dacke]

I think he wasn't expecting the degree, despite knowing the reaction.

Seeing how the reaction was way out of proportion, I'd be surprised if he had anticipated the full result.

[JoeHonkie]

possible, but i don't find gullibility annoying; he might just be young or inexperienced -- i mean, he posts on something awful, which is like a den of 15-20 year olds

and a den of iniquity.

But I do find it annoying, that doesn't mean I will hold it against him for life or anything.  Like I said, hopefully it was a learning experience for him.  And Dacke, the reaction may have been way out of proportion, but that's not surprising these days.  Sadly.

[Radix]

Is'nt it a bit unfair to call Sigvatr a troll though?

IRL: troll.
Tigforums: kind of a dick.

[Movius]

Personally I think he expected stupid people to get offended and not play the game. Others would play the game, note that it was well made and fun and obviously a joke.

Other events would be harder to predict, eg:
 * ASIO
 * the "idiots per rational-human" rate being higher than expected in places like TIGSource
 * Certain glorious defenders of the independent game developer trying to destroy all reference to the game's existence or otherwise hanging him out to dry.

[Kamos]

Why do you try to complicate this, Paul? It's simple.

Yes, the game is fun to play. However, muslims don't like it (and there is no need to wonder why they don't like it). Then he comes to this forum and says "bla, bla, bla, the people who got angry are stupid, I'm just vomiting stuff on the internet, I'm on a quest of purification". Then he makes fun of people who get angry at him saying muslims getting shot and bombed is unimportant.

I mean... "Ok, dude".   

EDIT: Also, the topic was now about the much more important topic of zombies and women in bikinis. And I don't get the Warhol Superstars thing.   

[shig]

He didn't troll on his first post.
He trolled - sometimes - when he replied to other people's posts.

Maybe it wasn't even on purpouse; He was just annoyed and ended up being even more annoying. But still I can see why people would call him a troll. He did seem like he was trying to irritate people on purpouse in some of his posts.