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What games are praised to death that aren't actually that good?
Is there a reason for why they're praised for their mediocrity?

Discuss.

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Is Call of Duty actually praised?  I feel like the last time it was praised was when Modern Warfare came out.  And I guess that was deserved since it essentially rewrote what people expect from FPSs.

Halo games. I only played like Halo 3 or something, I can't remember, but oh man, do I hate that game. I dislike everything about it. I guess I'm just not a fan of its world design, all the neon colors which seem to be out of place to me. Same goes for Destiny as it's pretty much the same thing.

Wow, seriously this game can go to hell and now I'm mad at you for reminding me about it.

Most of the time overrated = games that are popular that I don't like

because for a game to be overrated it needs to have qualities that people find enjoyable. Otherwise it's just bad.

It's probably much better to focus on what a popular game gets right, then what it gets wrong as that can be destructive

But what do I know, I'm just blabbering.


So what Cobralad said

And

Any game that was extremely innovative for the time, but compared to games nowadays it's not that great.

This list includes:
Ocarina of time
Majoras mask
Pong
Pac-man
Space invaders
Most games on the N64

This list excludes:
Games that are really fun despite the test of time
Mario bros 1, 2, and 3
StarFox64

That is all.

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Dragon Age: Inquisition.

How a singleplayer game with MMO combat, as well as terrible writing and animations, won GOTY at the VGAs is beyond me.

Thats a nice question every year since 2007.

"man, back when i was [however many years ago I was too young to know better] videogames were way better!"

MineCraft

I don't think it is overrated so much as I personally just have a hard time understanding the obsession people have with it. It is primarily block placing surrounded by poorly-implemented features (bare bones basic combat, farming, crafting, etc.). Pretty much everyone I see playing it plays it in "Creative Mode" because they are burnt out on the mining, combat, and lack of goals. It has all the potential for an awesome game but none of the actual implementation, I think that is what makes it especially frustrating to me.

Terraria alleviates some of the issues I have with MineCraft and at least feels like a step in the right direction, but it still suffers the same rather immediate plateau effect.

Super Smash Bros. It's ok.

Whatever your favorite game is.

- Binding of Isaac
- FTL
- Cave Story
- The Stanley Parable
- Super Meat Boy
- VVVVVV

To name a few. The games are ok, but they're not great.

I don't really know.
I guess Rollercoaster Tycoon is cool.
I also like FEZ sometimes.
Far Cry 3 was aok.
Uhm.
Super Mario World?

I don't think any of these are overrated though. Except for maybe FEZ.

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I think that Democracy 3 is overrated. At least it left me disappointed - maybe because I played Democracy 2 demo a bit too much.

you are overrated sir ??? you are mostly wrong

Plus majora's mask was a slow burn, considered by most bad when it was out and took a life on its ownover time, if anything it's a rediscovered cult classic and its appreciation is only recent as taste and game literacy evolved along modern taste! Most new fan of that game weren't born back them (thanks emulation, virtual console, hand me down 64)

Ocarina still do thing that game today get totally wrong. I don't know a single game that is better than pacman, only different, even most of them don't even have as competent AI design so thereis that. Most 64 game are unmatch till today, especially branded nintendo or rare.

I'm with Jimbert - to me "overrated" is practically synonymous with "a good stolen idea polished up by a big budget and shoved down the throat of the less-critical mainstream by marketing" which is the opposite of your definition.

Overrated means anything that gets more attention and praise it deserves.
Like saying pac-man is the best game ever.

You guys are being overly subjective about this. *Shrugs*

Shovel Knight is kinda overrated I think. But I'm aware it might just be me.

Skyrim, Shovel Knight, and a special mention to Dragon Age Inquisition.

EDIT: Forgot to mention Half Life 2. I like it, but it isn't as absolutely groundbreaking as everyone seems to think it is.

"Overrated" is a subjective concept to begin with.

But pacman is the best game ever :eyebrows: , the design is so elegant you couldn't refine it without breaking it and in fact nobody could (championship edition is its own thing). It doesn't get more attention it deserve because there is still nothing to compare it to and there was nothing back then. Meanwhile while dishonored is great it still have thief or the assassin's creed series as comparison (with ass creed achieving overrated status as there is so many thing to compare it to).

/teasing

i agree with molten's first 3 paragraphs.

call of duty bores me to death but i did like the multiplayer. i have yet to play a game that i find overrated and had it be unplayable in one sense or another, i.e. really bad or actually virtually unplayable.

I guess this kind of a threadjack, but... Speaking as someone who's been computer gaming since the 80's, I feel like this is the greatest time for gaming there's ever been. Freedom from publishers and brick and mortar 'shelf space' limits have made it so that any kind of game can get made, and they are, in a wonderful cornucopia. There's no genre that's not been represented in the last three years, and represented well.

It wasn't this way three years ago, but it is now. I'm very satisfied with the state of the industry. The only thing I think that really needs improvement is - Steam needs viable competition, and the different storefronts need to connect on their own internet protocol. I should be able to make "Friends" with users on Desura and Origin from Steam and organize games with them.
It's not going to happen, because some of those companies are too hypercompetitive, but that's the only improvement I would want with the state of the industry right now.

Some people make fun of Dust: An Elysian Tail for the "DeviantArt"-level graphics. I'm honestly ok w/ them. The big offender in this game is actually the mechanics. Dust is a button masher in every sense of the term. Attacking and blocking is bound to the same button so all you need to do is keep pushing that button until things are dead. There's no need for magic or any of that other shit, just mash the fucking button like you were playing Cookie Clicker.

Moreover, the experience curve is out of whack. The rewards grow much faster than the requirements, so if you stay in one area for too long you can oneshot everything. Would not recommend. At least you can easily get 100% achievements in the game, if that's something you care about.

Any first person shooter after the year 2000?

Spec Ops: The Line.

People praise it for it's "compelling narrative", which is ok but not as groundbreaking as people say it is, solely because you don't have control over your character's actions. The story is not worth slugging through the terrible gameplay for.

What about DayZ?

FIFA/PES

Whoa whoa whoa, leave EYE and FEAR out of this.  And Battlefields 1942, 2 and 2142.  And Star Wars Battlefront 1 and 2.  And Crysis.

and bulletstorm and blood dragon.

ok, serious talk: Earthbound.

Its weird, quirky, fun, has some genius moments, but also is a standart jrpg with lots of walking and grind. I loved it, but then i read internets and I dont know if those people played same game as me. Although 90% of internets is about the ending and the fact that one of minor characters is gay.
Final boss is what really makes the game overrated. Just read its interpretations, it is Room 237 of gaming.

thomas was alone. full stop. discussed this on twitter the other day but its boring, repetitive mechanics lead you to no further meaningful connection with the characters or story at hand. the writing, furthermore, is often excruciatingly clumsy and overwrought.

but what do i know

I thought Capsized was an exploration game :(

that has nothing to do with this thread or w/e, carry on

also it got an honorable igf mention in the visual category...

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this thread is pretty overrated

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Also on the top of my list, but mostly because of the embarrassingly inconsistent movement mechanics.

I identify with lizardkin.

Dynasty Warriors.

no dynasty warrior is under rated everywhere but its niche

gets zelda, hokuto no ken, one piece, and gundam licenses anyway

Business (and zelda) is overrated nowaday

The funny thing Is Mike Bithell even jokes on his twitter etc that he's known for making extremely overrated games. he's a personality, a sales person, a really nice guy in general and because of that his games get far more coverage than most. either way fair play to him..

I have a friend working on Volume so I hope it's awesome but I struggle to see the good gameplay in the previews Bithell has shown in the past so I worry it will be too hyped.

Dynasty Warriors is hated by sheeple but appreciated by real intellectuals.
You can enjoy it only if you are honest with yourself, therefore it fits people that are handsome and successful in life.

and westerners only care about their guns & MMAs anyway.

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Every game ever

ur all overated

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I also say Thomas was alone. I remember being very confused when I finally played it. I could not really get where all the praise it got started from. My confusion got even worse when I went online and saw people talking about the game and enthusiastically suggesting it to others. I was like "Did I miss anything here?" :whome:

that's how i feel about la maluna.

with la mulana you probably were missing something though!

understatement.

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if you never enjoyed playing an fps you're literally a bad person

I don't really understand the hype for The Last of Us. It's good but idk not super great?

your game is overrated

yeah, you

braid: a few moderately interesting puzzles but overall a fairly un-interesting game

goldeneye on the n64: having played system shock, doom, descent, ultima underworld, and duke3d YEARS before this game came out, then the fact that quake2 and thief came out just after, i was pretty dissapointed with this game when i bought it, it was just a mediocre fps who's only real stunning features were movie tie-in and breakable glass.

halo:  honestly when i first played it i never would have dreamed it would get so big, i thought it was just a poor unreal clone with the added in "dumb squadmates" feature from elite force.

world of warcraft: an everquest/lineage/lineage2 clone that managed to be even more boring than its predecesssors but sold itself entirely on it's artstyle and tie in to the then SUPER-popular warcraft RTS series.

half-life 2: sorry but it was just boring compared to half-life and mediocre at best compared to other fps's at the time, a very non-memorable game.

and while talking about half life...

team fortress 2: ....even ignoring the current item farming +hats version of the game (that they have literally added the ability to grind AI mobs for loot into) even the old launch version that was so hyped and loved was a letdown to me, it's such a boring barebones game compared to quake team fortress and TFC, and only really got it's following from it's goofy graphics and voiceovers, while killing the amazing gameplay from previous games. I kinda wish we'd gotten to see the developed, live tested at shows, then scrapped 1999 version of team fortress 2 where they expanded the roles/classes and deployables and such instead of removing most of them, and had maps with some of the old DoD features like spawn points you can parachute into on respawn.

@raptor goldeneye  adventurefps if you played like a random shooter you fail, especially if you didn't do the harder mode + time trial, I have played the same game as you and it still come on top :P

also you don't like fps or what ... or at least you don't like a certain style of fps, i see a pattern in your dislike ;)

goldeneye does compare very poorly to its contemporaries and the only reason it was popular was that nintendo kids thought it invented the genre

You are crazy

Nope, hes right.
Its like if people claimed Jazz Jackrabbit to be the best platformer.

That's an excellent comparison.

I think the legacy of Goldeneye is in the multiplayer.  It finally brought an easy, responsive multiplayer FPS to the masses.  PC multiplayer was either difficult/responsive (LAN) or not easy/not responsive (dial up to a server).  In pretty much every other way it was surpassed by other FPSs of the era (except for having tons of multiplayer variations out of the box).

Goldeneye and perfect dork were some of the best local multiplayer games at the time and also paved the way for other console shooters. were they mechanically the best? idk probably not, i havent played them in ages. also never owned them myself.

also WoW was excellent for what it was when it came out: a streamlined and much more user friendly everquest that managed to successfully turn non-nerds onto MMOs. sure it's not mechanically innovative in any major way but MMOs are one of the most conservative genres to begin with. almost every other MMO at the time was also an "everquest clone". WoW just did a lot of things better than those games.

Bejeweled/Candy Crush, Angry Birds, and Flappy Bird, no question.


Making its true merit deep into the negative.

You say that as if I didn't play the other popular dick simulator of the time, golden eye is gold, also first introduction of the scope. Golden eye was a more deliberate shooter than other, it wasn't a mere run and gun.

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I must say I'm getting sick of people saying Pokémon is still an amazing game.

there's more than one pokemon game

Its kinda mean to say a game is overrated, since games are kinda like food, each own with its taste.
We know there are critics for both of them, that judges it according to global parameters, but there will always be a person that doesn't like that judgment, so it all boils down to your personal taste.
For example, 2007 Michelin's guide winner was a flipping Anchovies with Strawberry Mousse Pie. I mean what the fuck? But they were michelin judges, so they for sure know better.
Same thing with games, i might not like this and that, but im pretty sure they have a fair reason to be famous/get awards.


Anyways lets all be friends and agree that cawadoody-popamole games sucks  :durr:

Fez.
Good elements, developed badly. Puzzles and platforming don't merge, platforming is too easy except for rare occasions, puzzles, except for the unsolvable ones, are only sequences of buttons.
They may have a good plot, but except for some wall paints and the artifacts, nothing is left to know. A big vast world to explore but nothing to do.
I was thrilled for the first 30' then I got really bored and I finished it because I had to.
I don't think Phil Fish is a genius or something, unlike most of this board seem to do. He only did a platformer with unnecessary 3d interface, that looks like super paper mario (both mario and fez main character have an iridescent companion, aside for the gameplay). This EXCLUDING "suck my" statements.
Fight me irl. >:D

thems be fightin' words

spoiler: most of this board don't actually think that

Then I'm glad 
EDIT: wait wait wait wait wait EXPLAIN THAT:  :gomez:

yeah I dont think phil fish is any sort of genius, just that it's weird you get the impression everyone here would like phil

I think he's overhated.

:O

But let's not hijack the thread with this shit.
Another overrated game : Mark of the ninja. I found the art-style impossible to like and the gameplay really weird.

(I agree)

but yeah anyway, mark of the ninja has pretty weird gameplay, it's cool but doesn't feel very hard because you're just moving from safe spot to safe spot at the press of a button. And whenever you try and move about freely it just feels sluggish.

he used to post here lol

it's not so much that ppl on tig think he's a "genius" it's that a lot of the veteran members and admins are friends with him/know him personally. fez was also one of the first really ambitious games to come out of the TIG "scene"

wait. I'm not "hating" anybody, at least formally. Yes, I'm glad he retired, but my post wasn't "Phil Fish is ugly, stinks and stuff", I was talking about Fez, that IMHO doesn't deserve the praise it has. I've talked of him as a dev, not as a twitter account.
Anyway.
I think Skyrim is overrated too. The game is cool and stuff, don't get me wrong, but the HUD is PURE SUFFERING, for example.

He's a reasonably cool guy. I like him. And I love Fez. Cozy exploration without stupid combat. Mmh~

What is overrated and the opposite of genius is really the immense focus in general in games on "enemies" and having the main character kill them for no good reason, even in games like Mario. Mario stomps every living thing he sees and Link mercilessly slaughters all in his way. Those are not charismatic characters that I feel like helping forward, but people don't think about that, because it's so standardised today. Need some extra filler content in this part of the game? Add someone or something to kill! Even tho this game would do just fine without that sort of crap! Because it's the standard solution to every game designer's problem.

It might make sense in Zelda (tho not always), tho I dislike it, but what the heck is it doing in Mario? Why is it in virtually every game in the devlog section on TIGSource? Is it really needed? No. It is not.

So I was actually serious about the shooters. *:

Movies do have this to some extent too, but I feel like movie makers (especially those not from Hollywood) as a whole do this a lot less than game makers. Movie makers are much better at conveying different settings and moods and characters than game makers, I feel.

And authors of books are probably even better.

• pls think more about wat is reasonable to put in da gam ppl
• and let other media inspyre u

No wonder so many people still refuse to see games as art the way they view books and movies. Luckily there are a lot of good takes on games, especially now, especially by indies, some of them now or formerly here on TIGSource, which is nice, but they are still so ridiculously oversaturated by the rest and I think that's sad. :'(

What.the.actual.hell. Are you basically a gaming justice warrior or something?
Ok, you don't want to kill people or monsters or whatever. Monkey Island doesn't do it. But at least ADD a bit of difficulty, something that put you IN DANGER, something that makes your sympathetic nervous system producing noradrenaline. Or puzzle. Or whatever has a DIFFICULTY.
Not just a plainly good-looking flat world where everything is perfectly reachable without difficulty or stuff. The possibility to FAIL is what makes something rewarding in a game.
It's not even good as a openworld because it is too empty. No people to talk with, nothing to do except taking cubes and anticubes. It's like considering a difficult task taking a pen on the table behind me.

um chill out, he/she(?sorry idk) is just saying that not every game needs to have beating up dudes in order to be interesting. Plenty of games have interesting challenge without violent conflict i.e.(phoenix wright, tetris, prof. layton).

jeez mang

good morning  :gomez: :gomez: :gomez: :gomez: :gomez: :gomez: :gomez:

we'll both agree that Phoenix Wright makes you sweat when you have only 1 chance left and you can't find the right clue.

hello gomez

nnno i just said i dont like warfare and fighting geez pleez

Yes! Those are great concepts. You're thinking the right way here. Some psychological horror elements might be a tool too. And y'know, there could still be death and pain and misery – just don't make the main character perform it and justify or ignore it as tho it were normal/nothing all the time. It's supposed to be a bad thing. Make nasty characters do it to the main character. Don't always make a nasty main character do it to others. It's getting old and really creepy and weird. :c

I think you misunderstood most of my post. See replies above.

Open worlds are generally boring because people don't know how to do them well. Not advocating boring open worlds, don't worry.

how did you manage to misinterpret me that much :(

Not saying everyone should stop making what they want to make. I just wish a little more people would try to actually think about what they're making and what makes sense and what they want to convey and not unconsciously fall for the techniques of adding fighting filler content that has become so normalised and standardised that people don't even really think about it. They just add it automatically, because "that's what games do".

Also bottom line is I'm just expressing what I find tiring, sad and scary about the industry and its general mindset (or lack of mindset). I'm not running a campaign and absolutely not a war. I'm trying to open up an interesting discussion on the fact that I think games in general suck because people don't consider their design decisions as consciously as they could. Games could be so much more interesting. Like movies. Like books. That's what I think and it's fine if you don't feel the same way.

And good morning! Except it's almost afternoon. :handthumbsupR:

My only true cause of action is of course to make games that follow my own thoughts myself. I'm just interesting in hearing what others might have to say about this, because I've only brought it up with like two people so far. So it's nice to hear your input, and I'd like some more. But make sure you actually understand me first.

And I brought this up because I think Fez is a perfect example of a game that follows these ideas, btw. Fez is great. :gomez:

u know wat? overrated game threads are overrated as hell. 99% of the posts are going to be "i dont like this popular gam check out my kool non mainstram apinion"  :noir: 8) :noir: 8)

whow care?? ?

(not a reply to prinsessa or anyone in particualr)

Weeeell, if they can provide concrete reasons it could be interesting and possible to discuss.

yes but is it worth it sifting through the millions of edgy posts

The problem is: everybody could think something is overrated for reason. And it will always be like that. People thought the first impressionist picture was a huge failure.

no shit

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is it always like that when somebody names fez or fish? With the incoherent lolzspeaking and post-ironic replies?

what the hell is "post ironic"

my post was sincere

There is a wikipedia article for post-irony.
anyway, I was referring to the "no shit". What was wrong? Is it necessary?  I was sincere, too! I only said what I think about Fez.
And then, you are kinda assaulting me. Or stuff. I hope you aren't like this IRL.

i was phil poisson all along
 :gomez: :gomez: :gomez: :gomez:

can we get back to the thread please?

basically everyone is just really tired of saying and hearing fez and filfish cuz they've been catalysts for dumb discussions forever

 ::) This board is so unfriendly. :|

yeah. we've had so many terrible phil fish threads, the negative reaction to your posts is basically community PTSD. also tbh your original "i bet everyone here thinks fish is a genius huh" came off as kinda smarmy and started the "discussion" on a bad note.

i mean you probably didn't know anything about tigs' complicated history with phil fish so i won't hold it against you and im sorry if im being too harsh.

Then, say it from the start. I felt a bit attacked from nowhere, people.
And I won't add nothing more.

what are you, some kind of gaming justice warrior ? ?? ?


(Princessa: I'm not sure mario is actually a good example of killing & death for no reason in games. I used to think that way, but it's actually heavily implied getting squashed and vanising in puffs of smoke isn't actually 'dying' and victims are just fine afterwards, from the in-canon references to marios 'death' in some games, to the recurrence of named characters who have been 'killed' in game.

ps, otherwise I agree with you that violence & especially killing is an overused trend: i've been wanting to make a Shoot Game where nobody actually dies, they just get roughed up a little.)

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Well, violence or death. More or less interchangeable for my purposes. Whether the stomped creatures actually die isn't too important. I just find it weird that it's so integral and that nobody thinks about it when it really is rather bizarre when you really think about it. But that's nearly just me, apparently.

A shooting game like that would definitely be interesting to see.

I really just want people to try out other ways of making interesting games a lot more than they do now, that's all.

I actually don't think there's anything wrong with killing people if you have a reason to kill them. I do think there should be more morality in games that have you kill enemies. I'd like to see more enemies that give you a choice not to kill the enemies.
There's too many games where killing everything is considered the win-state.

Ignore the idiot.  I mean, he didn't even read the wikipedia article about post-irony that talks about how post-irony is a stupid term that has no meaning (or means sincere, which is obviously not what he meant).

Way to prove his point. Can't we be better than this?


I'm with you. Violence is in a lot of places in games where it wouldn't otherwise belong, presumably because it's one of the easiest metaphors for certain kinds of gameplay. I made a whole bunch of nonviolent games before I made one with combat in it, and when I did, I suddenly had an explosion of possibilities for interesting game mechanics. I'd prefer to be able to fit those into nonviolent metaphors, but that takes more effort and skill than the violent options. A noble goal, but not always a realistic one.

I dont think he is too friendly into his conclusion jumping.

I find SF4 overrated, but thats because I think CvS2 is the pinnacle of fighting games.

Thanks I'm flattered people.
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So it's true that only saying "Phil Fish" you can actually bring chaos in this board.
Also, Silbereisen, good job.

it mainly bothers me in "narrative" games. case in point: bioshock infinite. the parts where you just walk around and experience the story are good but the combat sequences are not only boring mechanically but also jarring as hell. i used to think "ludonarrative dissonance" was a bullshit concept but in binf i felt it for the first time: "we interrupt this sci fi plot about racism for another 10 minutes of shooting dudes in the head for no reason".

combat also obv limits what sort of stories you can tell because everything has to be a buildup to a fight.

i dont have a fundamental problem with combat mechanics tho outside of them being in too many gams where they dont belong.

I have yet to see any reasons for something like that, but that's another matter. Whether one's morals agree with ever justifying killing or not, I'm sure many of us can agree that it really is overused in all kinds of unfitting situations in games (or unfitting games in their entirety) (as mentioned above by Silbereisen while I was writing this message as well), but you seem to agree there, so that's good.

I ponder from time to time how to go about taking a different route in a game that I plan to make in many, many years (always writing down ideas as they come, but I'm working on another game now and will probably make some more before I get to this one, because it requires an immense amount of preproduction to work out the way I want it to).

I initially imagined the game as the standard violent one back in my younger days, when I was a complete stranger to who I am now, but now that I've completely reconsidered myself and my views on things, I wish to leave those original plans behind and make it something different but still with pretty much the same storyline in the same universe. It's going to be quite interesting to keep on planning, and especially actually producing in the end if I ever get to a point where I feel like the game is actually worth making.

One idea I've been toying with so far is to make the character actually do some of these violent acts in the beginning, but go through an eye-opener and reconsider it all. That could even be an effective way of conveying the message. But will the player get that, or just enjoy fighting away in the beginning anyway, with the mindset from all those other games? I don't want to do that if I can't get it through that way.

One idea coming to me right now is to really make it apparent that those under attack by the main character in the beginning are really suffering, to make it painful to play those sections. But will even that work? I mean, I feel for the sometimes quite pitiful movement even of Zelda bosses when they die or are hit, and other people definitely don't seem to do that, or even when it's much more graphic in certain games or movies, so I'm frightened not even that would work.

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We should question as to why some game are seen as "overrated"

I think game get high praise because:
1 - they are the first at doing something and set a paradigm shift (most nintendo's 64 games) ...
2 - the competition is and stay underwhelming (elder scrolls) ...
3 - the game is just super polished (nintendo) ...
4 - the game streamline laborious aspect and improve balance and pacing (modern warfare) ...
5 - the tone and atmosphere is unique (psychonaut) ...

each is overrated because:
1 - ... since then we build up on the newly introduce stuff
2 - ... the competition is underwhelming but the polish isn't really there either
3 - ... you are not into this stuff anyway
4 - ... well you don't enjoy what as been cut off and enjoyed the rythm
5 - ... but that's all to it

6- it's popular... but you don't like it :P

If we're including board games itt, I'm going to name Stone Age as one game that failed to impress me after several plays with my family. It's marketed as some kinda Babby's First Worker Placement Game, but in reality the board might as well have only one space on it because it makes almost no difference where you put them. The choices you can make are so evenly balanced that it's almost impossible to fuck up. Adding to that, the game is very repetitive because the same action spaces are available the whole game. So yea, I'd say give this one a pass and if you really want an "easy" board game then play Incan Gold or something. There's no strategy in that game either but at least it's exciting to play.

Fez has a number of puzzles which are difficult unless you know exactly what to do. You seem to just be advocating for failstates.


There are plenty of cubes and anti-cubes in Fez which are difficult to reach. There's just minimal fail penalty; you can always try again, usually very close to where you were.



Honestly I quite like the sort of quietness of Fez, compared to the over-burdened NPC-laden games I see so often. Reminds me of Within A Deep Forest.

I mean, Fez has problems (especially with the first six cubes or so) but you aren't really making sense. It has puzzles ranging from "rotate a thing" to "interpret a star blinking in binary into a series of control inputs" so your complaints seem out of whack.


To add to board game complaints: Carcassone and Arkham Horror.

Carcassone is really boring and Arkham Horror is too many systems piled into a single board game.

have u played eldritch horror? its a streamlined arkham horror with a touch of pandemic and is very good.

i mean i dont HATE arkahm horror, i have a big soft spot for messy ameritrash games with too many rules, it's just almost impossible to actually finish it before it gets too tedious. i have only managed to finish it like twice and both times were solo sessions where i took long breaks lol. never finished it with a group.

BTW: here's another 2 for gimmy's list:

1. popular games that are considered "entry level" for their genre are usually disliked by "hardcore" fans of the genre. example: dungeons of dredmor.

2. "final fantasy 7 syndrome" where the most well known entry in a series is disliked by series fans who prefer another entry.

I don't know if FF7 is "good" but goddamn it was a nuclear bomb in gaming, it was like the mario 64 of epic game, it made an impact that have define the modern game to this day

u should play it, its good. the story is one of the more thematically interesting in the series even tho the writing admittedly blows thanks to bad translation.

i actually just finished replaying ff7 and i still love it.

ff8 though...

also pandemic (the board game) is kinda bad too.

u r kinda bad

borderlands 2

for some reason the shooting never clicked with me. I never felt like I was shooting things so much as I was pointing a remote at enemies and holding the HEALTH DOWN button.

Dark Souls is actually probably overrated

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the only thing with any weight in that game are the animations. real great art work, but otherwise tepid

i'd say the dialog/voice acting in the borderlands series is awesome too, it's such a shame, while i enjoy all 3 games the combat i agree is definitely the low point of them, the ai is just too dumb and the actual gunplay mechanics too boring, TPS fixed it a lot but it's still not the best, plus the butt-slam is just too OP and the special abilities are WAY stronger which made the game overall just a LOT easier.

A Link to the Past

this has officially become the 'hey, loud shitlords: what game do you Not Get?' thread

agreed  :shrug2:

Dark Souls was overrated in terms of difficulty. It's punishing, but enemies were slow, mob configurations were only really dangerous in the forest and one part of anor londo, bosses only took a while because of checkpoint placement, and levels were generally linear despite being connected nonlinearly (nothing wrong with linearity, but it just means a lost opportunity for more difficult exploration). DaS2 pretty much fixes those problems, but loses some charm and atmosphere

Dark Souls is not difficult, I beated it with one hand while being attacked by a beaver in a complete dark and also filling my divorce document. The only difficult part is when its not being available on Steam in my country because 1C are knobs.

If only Ninja Gaiden was released on the PC we could experience a true challenge and not just the souls-style "hard until you realize you can cheese everything with sorcery/bows" difficulty.

I couldn't even beat the first level of Ninja Gaiden until I enabled the babby mode where NPCs start mocking you during cutscenes haha.

To be fair, it's your choice if you use bows/sorcery. How much enjoyment/difficulty you get depends on how willing you are to challenge yourself and get up and close with the combat.

meh, ninja gaiden wasnt that hard, more of just annoying how many enemies it threw at you at once sometimes and shitty camera angles that sometimes refuse to let you see what you're fighting. sigma was even worse in that it was the exact same damn game with framerate issues and a poorly designed section where you play as the girl.  Plus talk about cheesing, pretty much everything in ninja gaiden you could cheese with jumping and shuriken, especially once you get the exploding ones.

I agree though ,dark souls isnt hard, i dont even know how that thought even came about, the main difference between demons/dark souls and other games around the same time was just that it didnt coddle you and have massive amounts of checkpoints, there's no need to cheese with the bow or sorcery either, if you get good at the game it's pretty easy with melee weapons, which is mostly why i love it, it's a game who's progression is 100% based on the individual player skill. (i hate games that "even the playing field" for less skilled players, always ends up making it less fun.)

yeah

its annoying how much of a weird meme souls' difficulty has become. its such a bandwagon.

Indeed. The Souls games are hard, but there were as equally or even harder games before it and I don't think their high difficulty should be the Souls series' be all and end all defining feature.

I think the Souls game got this popularity for being hard because, in recent popular games, there's either a difficulty option or games are too easy, but Souls challenges the player with a sole difficulty mode. If a Metal Gear Solid game only played in European Extreme mode, it would be regarded as a much, much more difficult series as it is, since most people play it in Normal or in an even easier mode.

I'm not against difficulty modes, by the way.

i mean rly the difference in difficulty between souls games and the average modern AAA game is that you have to actually understand the game to make progress in it. its not viable to play super sloppily and repeat the same thing 1000 times in a row until you get lucky. you actually have to adapt your approach if you fail. also the game doesn't give you a lot of directions and forces you explore on your own. so it was probably a culture shock for many younger gamers who grew up with games that don't require these things, that's where the reputation comes from. also the atmosphere and scarcity of checkpoints gives death more weight.

the souls games are definitely not super hardcore tho. theyre as hard as they need to be but are not really specifically tooled for the utmost challenge the way niche "hardcore" games are, which is fine by me b/c i dont care about challenge on its own. feels like the difficulty arises "organically" out of the rest of the design.

I will always call Minecraft an overrated game. 

Yeah, I know it's like one of the first sandbox games, and it's incredibly cool what people are able to do in it and build. I get all that.

What I don't get is the wild CRAZE of Minecraft fans where now we have Minecraft action figures, plushies, how-to books, NOVELS on Minecraft.

It's a bit crazy.  Great for marketing and all, but I never would have thought that it'd receive so much merchandising!

I won't say minecraft was the first sandbox game, but it was the first TRUE one

re ninja gaiden
too bad a lot of harder mode's moments was just an endurance test that pit you to incredible enemy with massive HP point and you do the same exploit all the time without failing else you are screwed. I get there is a orb management to do but even then you still have to beat one of those bloody dinosaur to unleash shit.

BUT DAMN THE GAME IS REAWARDING

Re dark souls (game I never play)
let's call it "hardcore casual"  :eyebrows:

or just a late 90s action rpg with modern graphics lol

anyway PLAY IT ALREADY

monies + platform + time  bro

it helps to realize that it's mostly a game for kids and should be judged on how well it's doing that, like you'd judge a kid's cartoon (do kids like it an are they learning something from it)

It's a shame that a lot of people get put off playing Souls games because of the way they are advertised.

oh well  :shrug2:

It's not even out yet, but I want to nominate this:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens

it looks teh randum :3

Dark Souls is extremely forgiving of failure, considering that the only things you lose are time, money (souls), and humanity, and the only thing you can't get back with minimal effort is time.

Mario Kart

@Dragonmaw

Yeah I agree, that's not nearly as bad people make it out to be. Most modern games make failure completely inconsequential, so give anything stakes these days and some players will label it as punishing.  

It looks like a big meme to me, more than a game.

3 million fucking dollars?

suicide is the only escape from this hell

so jelly it became hell

jelly my ass. its a 3 million dollar meme. its literally nothing.

breaking news: man with dominant international web brand makes money.

(that's kindof a crazy # tho. Projected 26mil.)

3 mil for a cat themed card battle game :wtf:

explain to me how this is not an unjust world

backers:  :handmoneyL: :epileptic: :handmoneyR:

devs: 

It's the brand.  A lot of people like the Oatmeal, and 2006 memes aside the game sounds fun (especially with potential for a drinking game).

At least with all that money they should be able to hire a competent artist.

the oatmeal: toss random adjectives together, rake in millions

[insert 50 page rant on "the zeitgeist" and the inevitable decline of human civililzation that gets progressively more absurd and paranoid and ends with massive unreadable ms paint diagram involving masons, reptilian shapeshifters and ancient aliens here]

People starting to get jealous now lol, too bad you didn't win the lottery

37002%
funded
as now

You can tell I enjoy the ridiculousness of this immensely :eyebrows:

I check out that kickstarter page everyday for breakfast

I thought you checked out the oatmeal page for breakfast

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those are some pretty dank maymays.

In all seriousness though I really think DayZ is overrated shite. Disregarding all of the problems with the project as a whole, the actual game seems lackluster at best. 95% boredom that relies on YouTube videos for promotions. Kids see these weird interactions never before experienced in a videogame and think that that's what the game is all about, so they buy it. Truth is the map is so god damn big that you spend hours walking around being bored out of your mind, and when you finally find somebody they just kill you without saying a word. This isn't really a technical issue that could be solved from alpha though, so the game is probably always going to be like this because apparently survival games are cool or fun or something. It's like you're taking the crowd who likes Farming Simulator games and tossing the game they want into mainstream gaming and attracting all of the Cawadooty kids, so DayZ really seems like a game that should be sort of niche (like Arma in general). 3 million copies sold and only 20k people in-game right now. Probably the worst Steam purchase I've ever made, but in my defence my friends told me to buy it because "It's so cool!" :biglaff: Yeah right...

"i don't like the genre so the game is overrated!!"

man i wish i caught this thread when this post was fresh:


because i agree with it sooooooo much and think its worth a really large discussion. its the laziest mechanic and i hate it in literally every single game i play.

It's not exactly the same as Princessa described, although it's similar, but I find Pokémon kinda problematic in that regard. Pokémon get hurt in order to catch them, making them prisoners inside PokéBalls, and then the player makes them battle for fun or profit.

Just like in real life

That's because Pokemon is in its roots an RPG. The foundation of RPGs have battle systems and Pokemon expanded on that idea by giving you hundreds of characters to fight with.
I also like to think that the reason the narrative turned out to be "you catch them all" is because they had to market the game to kids. Another kid catching monsters and letting them fight is a bit more relatable than you just being multiple monsters at once. The narrative never really delves into the system behind Pokemon wildlife but that might be because the game hasn't fundamentally changed its narrative since the Gameboy days, back when it wasn't feasible.

Do you realize that teh success of such agme are made by the survival mode that a lot of player found underwheilming they left in mass creating their own game focus on that?
Some people like the idea of a dreaded world, and 3M to 20k is like the normal proportion of online game BTW

What kind of genre would you call DayZ and Rust anyway?

I'm just glad it isn't potato salad. Seriously, now. What ever came of that?

psychopathic walking simulators

they are post apocalyptic survival role playing game

You pretend to play people within the collapse of social structure turn back to pure survival and scavenging in a morally decadent world

surprisingly, from what i read it turned out really well and the dude raised an additional $20k for charity. Who could have guessed? http://kotaku.com/the-potato-salad-kickstarter-festival-actually-happened-1640680938

 

I agree with your points.
I think the idea of having a lot of Pokémon would be less violent if they chose to be with you, not the other way around. It would be hella cool. But I don't disagree with you on the idea of having a lot of characters to play with being attractive.
I wish the fighting had a better purpose rather than "Hey, you stumbled here, let's fight!" or "I'll put my Pokémon fighting because I want to be the Pokémon Master...", though. Like you said, a more complex narrative wasn't feasible for the Game Boy, but it would be nice if the games nowadays had a new narrative.

I might be unpopular for saying this but... Bioshock.

The intro sequence is admittedly brilliant, but I found the combat dull, and I always find that way of story-telling (npc logs) to be slightly contrived.

Maybe the intro set the bar too high for me. Perhaps I should give it another go!

I feel the setting is outstanding, but it does falls short in combat.

that why u play shin megami tensei where u bribe demons to ally with you. ethical as FUCK

I wouldn't disagree. I didn't actually finish bioshock. I thought the story/atmosphere was really good but found the combat a bit dull. I thought bioshock 2 wasn't great either, tbh. But I fear I may be in the minority about that! I just didn't like that it tried to be really realistic (ie: with a living, breathing city etc) and yet still had really gamey elements, like picking up those f***** coins everywhere. Reminded me of games of old where'd you have to go down every corridor looking for ammo/loot etc.

yall shoudl play system shock 2

fixed

seriously though, it's an amazing game, and the steam version even has 2 player co-op added which i have to say is pretty awesome.

oh man, i am setting myself up for some flame here, but i think the half-life series is realllllllly overrated. i hated it. i hate gordon freeman. i hate the idiotic crate puzzles and the weak space zombie nonsense and the terrible driving and the creepy hero worship and mowing down endless boring faceless enemies over and over and over. i played straight through, got to the end, set the controller down and said to myself out-loud "i just wasted XX hours of my life"

not portal though, portal was great even if you can beat it in one sitting. them being sort of bundled together kind of makes it all even out? i assume they looked at the engine and made half-life for *those people* and portal for *these people*. I accept that, and respect valve for the depth of that insight.

You can dislike something and appreciate the achievement it brought to video games however ...

totally true. though that poses an interesting question: is a game its engine? does praise of cryengine make crysis a good game? half-life and counter-strike (and portal) were big steps forward no doubt, with a revolutionary engine that made it all possible, i just think half life/2 *specifically* is bad. my opinion is utterly completely meaningless, but in this case id be like "yo this engine is really great, good job GoldSrc / Source tool maker team! Creative team? ehhh...."

is there something beyond that that im missing about the half-life worship? its entirely possible that im just missing the point. i DO *want* to understand. Ive forced myself to play through, so might as well get opinions.

half life 1 is pretty much the foundation for modern singleplayer shooters. even 17 years later most of them still use HL's basic format.

i liked HL2 a lot when it came out, but it really didn't do anything that groundbreaking aside from maybe the physics puzzles. physics engines weren't exactly new but hl2 was the first "big" game to use one extensively. the gravity gun was HUGE back then (you can pick up and throw any object, so cool!!) but its impact is somewhat diminished now that every fantasy and scifi game has a "telekinesis" ability that does the same thing.

other than that it's a very well made linear cinematic FPS but i don't think the linear cinematic shooter genre would be much different if it had never been made.

p.s. i think two things that are "overrated" about half life in general are gordon freeman (silent protagonists were a very common trope already) and the cutscene crap. i still don't understand why the ability to walk around during story sequences is such a big deal.

I dunno, at the very least the part where you are still in control of the camera makes a huge difference for me.

Not being fully in control is one thing - real life is like that too sometimes. But not being able to control where I look? That's changing the perception from you being the character to watching through another characters eyes.

ya but the thing i don't really feel like "i" am gordon regardless. i don't really feel like game characters represent "me" in general but this is maybe getting a little 2subjective to properly discuss.

HL1 didn't have that impact on me because I felt duke nukem already had the cinematic/scripted sequence, doom had the "living enemy" (with infighting), golden eye had the realism (gun that don't float, localized damage, scripted cinematic, realistic physics) ... Later perfect dark introduced gadget ... if anything golden eye is closer to teh modern shooter formula EXCEPT for exploration and civil casualty.

So it's impact is much more about the PC niche who didn't have access to a 64 to get a fix on realistic shooter.

half life is EXACTLY the modern shooter formula tho

Pretty much. Not getting taken out of your zone to watch a scene that advances the plot was a pretty big deal at the time. Plus if you got bored with someone talking you could always shoot them in the face and it wouldn't penalise you for it, I think the only instance is near the end with the scientist who opens the portal to Zen but you had to keep him alive anyway.

But golden eye had scope and proto ironsight, HL you must ADD to get the modern shooter, golden eye you must SUBSTRACT :eyebrows: In fact the linear level of golden eye ARE the modern shooter (complete with need to take cover, even though cover where a bit more dynamic with doors)

System Shock 2 is fuckin' coooool. I love the stress of deciding which upgrade to put your modules into, a bad decision can really screw you over. I got the feeling maybe the devs put bad skill upgrades in the game on purpose? idk love that game

one of the devs (maybe even ken levine himself) admitted the stat system is kinda broken and they didn't have the time to balance it like they wanted to.

the game makes up for it with amazing atmosphere and level design tho. it's still creepy and intense even today (i played it after bioshack)

I on the other hand found it finicky and kind of... un-alive. Just the character creation stuff with choosing your career basically felt like stepping on one of the glowy circles in a warcraft 3 custom map, and I got stuck a lot in the level not knowing where to advance. Should probably give it another shot.


Bioshock I really disliked for having every gun feel and sound like a peashooter. It has great atmosphere and presentation, but it just really blows as a shooter.


Consequently, I like Infinite better than the original Bioshock, it's a way tighter shooter. I really couldn't care less for all that item scavenging.

Haha oh that's interesting, but yeah definitely agree SS2 is very atmospheric and stresses me out in a fun sort of way, the rigid combat and movement makes taking calculated approaches to combat more effective which I really love. I get the most enjoyment out of playing OSA characters.


You really have to make use of your resources/information you are given and logic. It's not really that hard, the most you have to do to remember where to go is look through some log files but it can be confronting if you're used to modern games constantly telling you where you are headed *cough* bioshock infinite *cough*.

whatevs i could splooge about this game forever.

Shovel Knight is overrated as hell.

It IS a good game, but it also has a lot of problems and inconsistencies. Anybody that argues this is because its retro, is a moron and should be beaten in the street.

Dragons in videogames are overrated IMHO. I mean, I'm not against them, and I even like Divinity II, but, other creatures and different kind of dragons / winged creatures exist in western and eastern lore :|

I couldn't agree more with that sentiment.

dino, we need more dino, dinotopia

I like dragons, but they're almost always in a villain role when I'm more interested in making friends with them and/or playing as them. Why must they be demonized?

why not? the problem is there aren't enough good dragon boss fights.

My game has a dragon end boss but there's an alternate ending where you can instead make friends with them, does that count? ;)

I'm pretty sure you generally rather complete quests for and generally chat with Dragons in DnD computer games, partially because dragons are so powerful that they'd wipe the player party if they were hostile.

(I remember stuff like that in NWN, I think? Maybe NWN2?)

Baldur's Gate 2. And it was a white dragon - the weakest of chromatic evil dragons too.

Probably your mom.

Can you give me some examples?

Agreed. I like how much content it has and how it has a genuine NES style (apart from minor things like relaxing the sprites on screen limit, having some colors the NES didn't support, etc.) Most "retro" indie games are just pixellated because of developer laziness, and neither look good nor even resemble any classic retro games.

However, I didn't like Shovel Knight because it felt really tedious. The gameplay wasn't really that interesting I thought. In a game like Megaman 2 it felt like there was something new on every screen, but SK gets kind of boring. Plus the stages are just so long and they take forever to complete. If the stages were half as long it would have been so much better. Sometimes, making games is like sculpture, and you must remove before you can add. I also hated the way you lost gold upon death, and it would end up floating tantalizingly over a pit or something... just not a fun mechanic.

Overall, good for an indie game, still nothing special or great in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, my biggest issue with Shovel Knight is that some people seem to treat it as more than it actually is. It's just a platformer with some combat. The mechanics aren't necessarily that deep and the game didn't really go to unexplored territory at any point.
I think it's a fun game that's well-made, but yes, it is overrated.
The music and grafx were pretty good though.

shovel knight is a cut above pretty much every other recent retro platformer tho

True, but it still is just that. A retro platformer, nothing more.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, it just stays pretty safe with everything.

Shovel Knight is a success in what it set out to do, and none of the praise is unjust.
I don't see how it is overrated.

because people like to whine about pixels making money, is part of my guess

important note: i still haven't played shovel knight, though i've loved what i've seen and the little i've played, and the megaman-meets-ducktales 2 vibe is rad as hell. the art style is very coherent and appealing, even if it's not quite to my taste (i find that true color 8-bit (outside of maybe kirby's adventure and literally only that) tends to be really garish and ugly to my eyes, which is totally a personal beef), etc.

it's got charm coming out of its massive ass

oh also here's another thing: so many retro platformers either play like romhacks or aren't actually very "retro" at all and just use the aesthetics of old games. games like shovel knight that convincingly imitate late 80s/early 90s platformers are actually not that common. so shovel knight fills out its own sub-niche in a way.

truth. the very fact that i've seen thomas was alone called "retro" typifies this pretty nastily

because its not amazing. its just okay. but people act like its amazing because they are blinded by nostalgia and or dumb.

how does a game being...overloved make you have a problem with the game? the developer nor the game itself do not control how much people like a game. i am sorry but i have always hated that complaint. feelings strangers have towards a title have little effect on my opinion of it.

my above post was aimed at torchkas, at first. now it's aimed at rat casket too.

Because arguing is fun.

I didn't grow up in NES era and still think it's better than okay (but that is definitely subjective) so  :shrug2:.

i thought shovel knight had great controls/gameplay, interesting setting/story etc but tbh kinda failed on level design, they just got somewhat boring.  Another game exactly the same that is hyped as hell but suffers the same way is escape goat 2, it's a solid game that just starts to get repetitive very quickly.  We're well overdue for another la mulana or cave story where every single screen of the game is interesting and memorable.

hold on.

just wait one second.

i believe you do not understand this thread.

what do you think.... overrated means?

anyway, its a game that does nothing new and nothing interesting. it has some charm but thats about all it has going for it. the controls are about as good as they can be, which isn't saying much considering its quite literally the bare minimum in required controls. its pretty hard to fuck that up if you know what you're doing.

the story is boring/generic and in no way interesting.

level design is okay. just okay. there are some good levels, there are some awful levels. level length is dramatically inconsistent. level difficulty is the same way. some early bosses (plague knight) are way harder than the proceeding bosses (mole knight, treasure knight, tinker knight). pits being instant death and also being exits to rooms is fucking reeeeeeeeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrdeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed. spikes being instant death is also retarded, but would make more sense if they just replaced all of the instant death pits with spike pits.

dying over a pit (and this was mentioned before) and being unable to retrieve your gold is, you guessed it, retarded.

most secrets simply lead to more gold. if not in its monetary form then in the form of a music sheet i have to backtrack across the world map to sell to get the actual thing i want from it, the gold.

not being able to swap armor unless you are outside of a level is... well you know what im going to say. mostly because you can equip armor that so severely handicaps you in some levels that you have to quit the level, go back to the armor guy, swap armor, go back to the level. thats dumb. theres so much needless backtracking.

the only reason power ups/upgrades/gear are useful is because they added bonus levels that require you to use power x to get through them. they are almost entirely useless in the actual levels and very rarely do you need any one power up to discover secrets. which is the whole reason you can backtrack in the first place...

in a game that is all about interesting levels, and interesting movement through said levels, it sure has a lot of boring ass and mediocre levels. which makes the game... boring and mediocre.

my point was a game's fanbase has little to do with the quality of the game in question.

also, i hate how you use retarded as a derogatory term.

the whole point of the thread is to talk about games whos fan base is undeservedly huge

also congrats on being offended i guess? who cares how you feel about the word retarded.

He doesn't sound offended, he probably just thinks you're a dick.

(he also still doesnt seem to know what the word overrated means)

he might be retarded

Man guys, popular games SUCK

I actually think there are a lot of games that deserve the amount of attention they get, if you're curious.

Seriously, tho, follow that guy's advice and don't use this as a derogatory term.

Call people "mainstream gamers". ;d)))CCPPpppppPPpPpp;;9D))

i know what overrated means. slow your roll, catguy. i will not let you insult me.

tru

also calm down people

For anybody who still genuinely doesn't get it (common usage can really skew one's perception): you shouldn't use "retarded" as a derogatory term because it basically means that you're insulting somebody by claiming that person has reduced learning abilities, so that's both insulting to the target person (who most likely doesn't fall under that category) and to people who actually suffer from it (who have nothing to do with the issue at hand).

There are other terms you can use for insulting =P

Back on-topic:

Guilty here, in Sol (my game) the power-ups are meant to help you reach new hidden passages, but in practice I didn't put much in the way of that =/ (probably in part caused by that very reason, you can detour so much that I would even forget which power-ups you could be carrying around at any given point). At least they can be used for other purposes, so they still aren't 100% useless (they have a tendency to make travelling around much easier in general once you learn to use them, even if you don't go into secret paths).

Not as bad as Project MD, where the same issue of uselessness would arise, but you rarely got any other advantage at all (ugh, that's one of the worst non-glitched platformers ever), and that game is indeed overrated beyond what anybody could possibly understand.

the term is able-ism

Goat Simulator... except that it's the entire POINT of Goat Simulator!

dromed this shit

don't use retard or any other bigoted slur as an insult pls



im trying to GET BACK ON TOPIC but i cant think of any popular game i dislike where it's not just my personal preferences clashing with what the game is liked for.

i guess final fantasy tactics is overrated because tactics ogre is honestly the better game but isnt as well known because it doesn't have final fantasy in its name.

If people are holding up FFT as a masterpiece of balance and tactical depth, well, yeah, then it's absolutely being overrated.  If people are saying that FFT is janky and broken and a ton of fun because of that, then :toastL:;D 

The Tactics Ogre games are better tactics games, but I had more total fun playing FFT.

That, and Tactics Ogre Let Us Cling Together just being a horribly awkward title for a video game in general.

I will say that Tactics is a little overrated. Mostly because it just takes for fucking ever for anything to happen and its impossibly boring.

Its probably just me but I feel like while the borderlands series is alright, Everyone LOVES it.

it has meaningless resource systems, broken balance and bad writing. Unicorns and moustaches meme Adventure time bs were never ever cool dont let them touch you.

I also like how one character is intended to be morbid obese freak by developers, but celebrated by gamejournos as example of divercity.

Borderlands is meme culture personified. Of course everybody loves it. Even though meme culture, much like Borderlands, is a dumpster fire.

borderlands 1 was decent-ish (full disclosure: i genuinely enjoy diablo). i think its a bit less LE MAYMAYS XD filled than the other games? Idk i never read much of the dialog because what i read of it was crap.

first one was kinda good in regard of setting: bits of dark humor here and there, but generally it was serious.
second had :gentleman: as first npc and villain talkin about ponies.

First game was fine. It was still dumb but it was tolerable.

I love Diablo though.

otoh i think borderlands 1 is kinda not that good of a shooter AND not that good of diablo game tho. theres next to no build diversity (the skill trees might as well not exist) and the gear (i.e. weapons) is extremely boring. it also suffers from the bullet sponge problem so many modern shooters suffer from.

but borderland 2?

cancer. its cancer.

i actually kinda liked borderlands one a lot (i think something about the aesthetic of its cave interiors ticked a box in my head that hadn't been ticked since metroid prime, and also i loved the way the vehicles handled) but the second, although it had better visual design by far, wasn't something i could get into and i don't even know why. i felt just vaguely bored. not even in a "i'm not having fun" way, but in a "this is fine, sure" way. i just ended up playing better things instead

the writing is pretty mediocre in either case, even if it's closer to okay in the first (the tone, what of it there is, is at least more charming than ennervating in that game)

i just was enlightened.
Borderlands is a shooter where you generally have one gun until you get better gun. Also, ammo is not a thing after first hour. So its like you only use shotgun and have unlimited ammo.

I liked the first Borderlands, although it's been quite awhile since I've played it. From what I remember most of the game was quite fun, and I even enjoyed the DLC. I don't think it's really that overrated.

The second game, however, was something completely different.
Basically,

Borderlands (1,2,Pre-2) very bland playing solo but highly addictive when playing co-op, especially when playing with others either in the same room (or at least on mic). The real big issue I have with the series is that eventually you are just doing the same 4 or 5 quests over and over, game-to-game.

here's one I think people can get on board with:

saints row the third

is the best game ever made. thats what you were going to say, right?

saints row 3 might be overrated. i haven't played it, so i have no idea. but the fourth one is fantastic

3 certainly disappointed me after 2. I could hardly play slutty-dress-up at all.

Yeah  my friends really got into that one and just like borderlands I had this feeling of "yeah ok cool this is a game..." I'm curious why though. These games obviously have some good qualities, my friends aren't stupid they don't get super excited about nothing. Maybe spmething about the game loop was just solved for me too early, I dunno.

Saints Row III is okay. Saints Row IV is a lot better, though. (I haven't played enough of Saints Row II to compare)

sr4 is best

sr4 manages to laugh at aaa games in a fun way while also being one of the best examples of why they can be fun at the same time. it's having cake and eating it too every damn moment and pulling it off with flying colors
and flying

also i don't usually feel impressed or wowed at that kind of thing but the streets of rage chapter made my jaw drop in terms of how unexpected/effective it was

ok guys, i think ill give sr3 another shot lol

i just remember that intro level really rubbing me the wrong way

ahhh yes that was another series that was a big disappointment for me. all my friends were obsessed, but when 1 was out my PC had crap graphics hardware so it was unplayable. when i FINALLY got a new one, literally the first thing I did was play through borderlands all stoked to finally try it and... it was just a half-baked morrowind with GUNZ. enemy AI was pretty terrible, and thoroughly bland. every single fight was just "find the AI detection border and cheese". maybe thats why they call it borderlands, idk.

You've convinced me to give it another chance. I'll be honest I diddnt let the humor get a fair shake.

The TRON levels in SR3 are infinitely better than they were in SR4. The simulated rubberbanding is too fucking good.

You hit my problems with it right on the head. Its a shame too because I really dug the art style and characters had potential.

My picks in recent memory go to Naughty Dogs repertoire of titles..Uncharted and the Last of Us. I'm not sold by the idea of a cinematic experience trumping gameplay innovation, which both titles had none to offer (Last of Us promised innovation but didn't deliver). Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whAma7fOdmM&feature


Regardless, showers of GOTY despite the stale run and gun gameplay exhibited by each.

Run and gun gameplay? Did you even play The Last of Us?
I wasn't even that big a fan of TLoU but I think the majority of it's positive reception was well earned.

Naughty Dog achieved what they set out to do, write a story with interesting characters (even tho zombie stuff is pretty uninteresting these days).

TLOU is overrated as hell. I agree completely.

It is, without a doubt, one of the most overrated and over hyped games I have ever experienced. Except maybe LTTP.

To me it was a downgrade from SR2. It did have a more polished engine, and the gameplay was very fun, but it felt rushed out (spoiler: it was) and somehow smaller in scope than its predecessor, despite all the bombastic set pieces.

naughty dogs are clever, they don't innovate at all, they pick a working formula, polish it to hell because they have nothing to create, done! It's a sequel without original

Unchartred >> tomb raider with GOW (which was already resident evil 4 with machismo) cover and COD corridor
last of us >> unchartred + zombie

Of course they will make something god, they take no real risks

yeah das tru

I think it can be easy to make the claim that a seemingly "dumb" or "derivative" game is overrated simply because a lot of people play it and like it (common example: CoD). Because if something seems dumb and a lot of people play it, and you don't, it makes it easy to just say they are dumb/uncritical/uneducated and walk away feeling like you are none of those things simply because you don't like a certain game. This ignores the fact, though, that people play games because they like them. If something brings you joy or happiness it doesn't make sense to label doing it as dumb, as what other option is there but to try to seek out what you like? It'd certainly be silly to only do things you hate.

Derivative things tend to be popular because they're familiar and safe, but just novel enough to have people enjoy them again. The novelty might not be enough for everyone, but it works for a lot. It's not like the people playing are ignorant of this fact. The people I know who buy the new EA Sports games every year realize the changes are minimal, but they still legitimately enjoy the experience, just like I enjoy Insurgency even though I can see the problematic trends of having all our shooters be about Americans fighting middle eastern terrorists.

Therefore I really think there's only two valid ways to define overrated

1) Reviewers are rating a game very highly because of other forces (from really explicit ones like literally being paid to rate something highly, or more subtle ones like having a relationship with the company and thus subconsciously feeling more lenient to them). Thus the game is literally overrated.

2) If people are making objectively incorrect claims about the game. These aren't claims like they like it or had fun, but things like saying something is "innovative" when it's very obviously not, or claiming a story has deep characters when they're cardboard cutouts of TV tropes pages painted in really pretty colors.

I guess in summary you can't really argue about how someone feels about a game, only the details as to why.

I found titans quest overrated, it feels sooooooo dull. I couldnt find anything special on the metro 2033/lastlight games. also as a fighting game fan i find street fight 4 overrated, while capcom vs snk 2 doesnt get enouff praise.

CVS2 has... universal praise... and was/is insanely popular...

i probably mean vampire savior then

also very popular and there was massive hype around the release of a new game not too long ago. basically saying any capcom fighter is underrated is not true.

Even Cyberbots and Rival Schools?

not really "overrated" i guess, but to me space trading games (i.e. elite and its progeny) are much cooler on paper than they are to actually play. huge exceptions: star control 2 and space rangers.

Nice pun!

I like them for their slowness, but what would you improve to make them more fit for your taste? pacing?

Or Star Gladiator?

Or Project Justice?

Or Power Stone?

I'd say the first 2 are underrated, but I guess Power Stone probably isn't/wasn't.

Power Stone, Rival Schools, Project Justice, all good as hell and have lots of praise.

Star Gladiator was well received if I remember right but Cyberbots is trash.

i mainly dislike the flight sim aspect i guess. i dont like flight sims because im bad at them and get lost easily (poor spatial awareness or watever its called). also its tedious as shit having to memorize or write down prices, thats where space rangers HD shines. i like a lot of games with elite-like trading and "exploration" mechanics tho, such as sid meiers pirates (one of my all time faves!), euro truck simulator etc.

slowness isnt a problem, my favorite game is dark souls lol.

Yeah, I guess they did get a fair amount of critical acclaim and are recognized in the community, just never reached wider adoption.  

Which I think a lot of people use to classify games/media as "underrated". What does underrated and overrated even mean? Thats the real question here. Is Zelda actually good? Is life really worth living? Was it worth it to cheat on my girlfriend?

These are answers that nobody has.

1) I don't know 2) Shinji said yes, but I say no 3) Which cheat did you use?

My dev sense are tingling, it's seems like an interface issue, but also a pacing issue. Basically what I get is that there is two cognitively different phases, the trading phase and the flight phase, trading game have generally a continuity of cognition all you do is trading, here switching mode is annoying, you play two game in alternance. Flight phase is unsatisfying because complex shit and also because if force locality in the trading, aka price is only visible after some time of annoying flight with no access to other spot instantly (unlike other purely trading games) to compare price.

When I mean slow, I mean in the time you kill a boss in darksouls (with failure counted in) it's the time of an uneventful flight straight in space were absolutely nothing happen at all. Get hype! station is in 300m straight line! no enemy, no obstacle, no nothing, just wait till you arrive and ask for authorization to land. Once in a while some pirates ... But hey you play paradox game I think it's a better example.


Maybe if we have all range starfox 64 like control and short distance between trade but fill with gameplay elements and an interface which give you access to all visited place price? what Do you think.

i also play euro truck simulator which is even slower and less eventful than elite, but i like that because its meditational. elite is often just confusing & frustrating to me. i guess ETS would be too if i actually used a steering wheel and the realistic control option haha. seriously, ETS is basically elite with a truck. it even has the docking sequences (parking sequences). sometimes i wish elite (and similar games) let me do the same thing ETS does and let me skip those at a loss of cash.

as you probably know i also rly like morrowind which also has a lot of walking between places. the fast travel in the other bethesda games completely ruins the sense of scale you get in morrowind. thats also why dark souls only giving you fast travel halfway through the game was such a good idea: by the the time you get it you've already internalized the scale of the world, so it doesnt fuck up your sense of space the way fast travel in oblivion (and daggerfall and skyrim and dark souls 2 for that matter) does. but i digress.

paradox games are kind of a strange case because theyre so variable (esp my fave crusader kings 2). depending on who you play and what sort of political situation you're in, they can be either very close to idle games or some of the busiest micromanagement ever, and everything in between. that's whats cool about CK2 in general: it uses 1 ruleset (with some modifications for different cultures) to create genuinely divergent experiences. but i digress again haha.


welp, space rangers already does the 2nd thing. it has a great system where you can pin any info you get (including market prices for the planet you're visiting) to a bar at the bottom of the screen and look at it anytime. star fox controls would be a nice idea. i played a game called freelancer once which was supposed to be a space sim with "casual" controls, but i dont remember really liking that either. i dont remember why tho, i'd have to replay it.

playing it recently, majora's mask is definitely overrated

still a very good game, but overrated (OoT is better)

I think what makes Morrowind, Star Control II, etc. different is that those games' worlds have a lot of surprise in them, and you realize that pretty early in the game.  You come to trust that exploring is going to be worth your while. 

I don't so much feel that in Elite-style games; I kinda expect that my next destination will have the basic same stuff as the last one.  (But it might just be Elite-style games where everything is human or there's about one alien species and they're insects or cats or something but really they're just Klingons.)

That's probably because you constantly do repetitive missions (aka quests) over and over to earn cash in that game, and they always boil down to "fly in a straight line to target area (waiting), fight some enemies to the death / for an object / on a timer (= FIGHT), then fly back (waiting)". I like the game and genre, but that game seriously lacks variety imo.

well yeah, the original elite is pretty old. i was using it as a stand-in for all elite-likes (X, freespace, starlancer etc). i keep hearing wing commander privateer is good but i've never played it. i have it on GOG tho, so maybe its time to give it a try?

I loved Privateer when I was a kid.  I'm not sure I could get into it now; I think a lot of the fun was the stories I was telling myself in my imagination, not the things I was doing and seeing in the game.  Not that that's a bad thing; I think older games were often quite good at stirring the imagination using minimal means.  But I couldn't have the same experience now.  Everything's well done, but nowadays it's hard for me to have a novel experience with open-world space games; the universes they conjure are often a bit samey.

My favorite space-trader was Nomad, but it's not the kind where you actually travel in between the star systems.  (The warp drive ends up meaning that the star map is just a fancy menu.)  It's a wonky game and not exactly a classic, but it got right two of the things I want from the genre: interesting SCII-style aliens and a genuinely open world that doesn't enforce a "correct" play style.  (Following the plot is optional, combat is optional, even trading is optional.)

I feel the most overrated game till date is Counter Strike!!!! Yes, to some extent, it's good, but after a while I have always just got bored with it! Whereas I think the Call of Duty 4 Multiplayer is much better than CS!

Having played both recently, it's the other way round for me. MM had better pacing, better characters, better side things, collectibles, and the series of events leading to each dungeon were pretty the one thing it did better than most zelda games. Weirdly enough for a zelda, I wasn't as impressed by its dungeons and bosses except for the last of both. OoT had slower pacing in comparison, but definitely outdid MM in charm, dungeons, bosses and music. Still overrated though, but I guess it deserves the score for the impact it made

get out.

oot is great you dweebs

Oot is a walking/horsing through giant plains between times simulator. Majora's mask is a walking/rolling through slightly smaller plains with masks simulator. I think this is what the original point was about.

BUT MAJORA IS BETTER (that's the point) 8)

also goron's roll is a better modern sonic than modern sonic  :noir:

im better

OoT is still great but MM is better.

Actually the two games aren't even really comparable in most ways. Apart from both being Zelda games they both do very diff things

I'm glad we can all still agree that the Oracle games where the pinnacle of design, charm, gameplay and music, and perfectly married 2 similar games to tell the greatest Link-defeating-Ganon story that both involved companies still haven't managed to top

ftfy

awakening is the shit 8)

consider the following

all zelda games are trash

I've always found Zelda's lore to be pretty interesting but not thoroughly explored enough. I have this feeling Miyamoto has always wanted to make one definitive story but he hasn't been able to tell it the exact way he envisioned it. Hence how every game he works on has the Ocarina of Time progression.

The lore is interesting but I've never been able to enjoy any of the games in the way people praise them. That being said I haven't played some of the more cult-esque Zelda games like Link's Awakening or Zelda 2. I think every one of them is enjoyable on its own but that they're not that valuable in the big picture. Even some fans have been able to twist the standard storyline in more interesting ways than Nintendo themselves. I mean, Nintendo doesn't even want Link to be a girl.

You're super wrong though. Myiamoto is a game designer not a writer. The story in zelda never mattered and people who think it does and obsess over timelines and whatever are weirdoes.

Except he totally is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time)

The narrative does matter, but depending on what you think is part of the narrative you might have a different opinion. Ocarina of Time was a linearly structured game centered around plotlines. The game is an entirely different experience when you're oblivious to the story.

when did you start playing them?

i dont think i would care that much about zelda if i hadnt played the games as a kid

MM has an interesting story with interesting characters and OoT is a damsel trope game like the rest of the Zelda and Mario games, w/o much of a story and w/o characters (almost).

Both games are pretty neat. They're just very different things entirely despite sharing engine, models, mechanics and franchise name. Of course they're going to speak to different audiences.

Zelda "stories" in general are crap anyhow. That's not what makes most of the games good. TP and MM did better in that respect (TP had good and more varied characters, but the story was still bad and messy). WW is somewhere in between. OoT is awful.

I too mostly play Zelda for nostalgia, but I do genuinely enjoy the temples and puzzles, even in  the games I don't have any nostalgic connections to. They're very good in that respect. And MM just has a mood. A really neat atmosphere.

Still, Myamoto wants the player to drive the narrative (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/11201171/nintendo-super-mario-pikmin-tokyo-film-festival-mandarin-oriental-tokyo-sega-mario-kart-zelda-wii-oculus-rift.html), which might partially explain why the Zelda lore is open-ended.

I'm not disagreeing on the plotlines part, but regarding the linear structure: OoT is often hailed as one of the early open world games, since you can do various parts of the game in different order.

BTW if you want to blame someone for the story in zelda blame koizuma, but I think he is the pusher of the MOST interesting part in zelda's story as in general miyamoto tone down the narrative. You can see his influence on everything that have a theme of loss (MM, mario Galaxy, awakening, etc ...).

majoras is gr8

oot is a nice story about coming of age and loss of childhood innocence that really resonated with me at age 10. its a "kiddy" story about typical kid themes but its very well told and not corny like these stories often are and doesnt shy away from some "darker" aspects. i can still enjoy it on some level because it reminds me of how i felt about it as a kid.

oot is also one of THE games (outside of the rhythm genre) that really puts music front and center which is a big plus. the ocarina is a great mechanic and the game has a really cool soundtrack (imo one of the best game soundtracks of the era) that is totally "spot on" and captures the atmosphere of the different locations to an extent that i haven't seen in many other games. the use of dynamic music is also pretty neat.

oot also did some new stuff when it came out. pretty much set the standard for 3d action/adventure games with the lock on, circlestrafing and autoplatforming.

I genuinely think oot is the better game because it feels like a more complete experience

I have the same problem with mm that I have with wind waker; the game doesn't feel like a complete adventure. in ww the problem was that they threw in a tediously long fetch quest towards the end, and the dungeon design was uncharacteristically unpolished for a zelda game. in mm the game gets into this kinda boring rhythm where you find an area, solve some kind of convuluted puzzle sequence and get to the dungeon. there's not much variety to it, whereas in oot the world was less rigid so you didn't really know what to expect. for example finding out that the shadow temple was hidden away in the graveyard was a really cool thing that's not really present in mm

oot also had more dungeons, more unique environments, better dungeon design and a cool story arch.

I think the reason people put mm on such a high pedastle is because it's a much more immersive world. which, okay I can understand but to me there's much more to a good game than that

You are entitle to your opinion but I don't get some argument, less rigid? it's collect stuff to unlock stuff fetch quest all the way around, the mask quest have immersing you in people life to solve them! OOT is super rigid it's village-fetch quest-dungeon-plot coupon, barely an adventure. In MM you have stuff like the little girl and its father, the skeleton king etc ... on ikana valley that have you more involve than follow the plot coupon. I'm sure at all OOt had more variety in environement and the story arch is damsel in distress, just one side story like the anju quest is stronger than the entire oot arc of "look it's gordon freeman all the way to the end". The only thing is that there is more "dungeon" in a traditional way. I wouldn't compare it to WW at all, WW is as oot as it can be, useless empty overworld, fetch quest npc, long collectible sequence, follow the plot coupon plot, the only great things outside the visual in WW was the final ganon speech about the wind, none are gameplay.

Hey, the combat in WW was great, and I love that hole on outset with the enemy rush challenge.

It's the same combat as in any other zelda save for the awesome impact sound effect and the quick time events they perfected in TP

The combat in WW was pretty much standard Zelda combat, but what set that game apart was some of the best enemy configurations and movements/ai. Of the 3d Zelda, I felt more threat from them than any other,hero mode or not.

Btw I agree that LA is fantastic, but still think OoX was an improvement. I miss how it actually had puzzles like the 5 gold leaves, the 3 enemies to beat in order, and eagles dungeon is still a masterpiece in maze design, but OoX had better music and customizability through rings. Glad to see the 8th dungeon of each took one of the 2 bigger concepts of eagles

ww is the best zelda, mm is pretty great, the 2D ones are all worth playing, and every other 3D one is polished but unexciting (yes, even and especially oot, which was amazing for its time but is such a huge example of "has not aged well." it's not Bad, today, and the 3DS remake is worth checking out, but it's not nearly as good as any other 3D zelda since imo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOC3vixnj_0
For those who haven't seen it yet. Somehow.

Since we are talking about Zelda I'm going to go ahead and say that God of War is overrated as shit. All of them.

Agreed. Still decent games but not that great imo.

btw im a big fan of crpgs but i do not like party-based isometric rpgs that much (yes that includes baldurs gate, planescape etc). too much micromanagement in them and often it feels too much like im playing a tactics game and managing a squad rather than a rpg.

i dont really think those games are "overrated" tho so probably slightly OT

Little Big Planet is overrated. The audio-visuals are cute and the level sharing features are neat, but the game's kinesthesia bothers me because it feels very imprecise and the main character has too little gravity, and this gets even more annoying in the later levels, which have some grave design problems.

you know, maybe I'm just a huge fan of dungeons in Zelda games. I love the dungeons in oot, I think they're varied and great. mm just doesn't reach the same quality imo -- except for stone tower temple which is a masterpiece

but you're right, perhaps I should rethink my views on mm. granted I don't think it's a shitty game or anything, I just like oot more.


I still really really hate the ocean part of the game though

tedious mess

yeah MM dungeons are really not that fun. Like most of them aren't terrible but they are pretty boringggggg

The only one I noticed was the stone tower one. MM felt pretty disconnected because of its shifted focus but imo, I preferred the sequence of events leading to each dungeon over most zelda dungeons, just one of the elements that really brought life to the MM world, just like the NPCs and their stories, over the usual zelda fare

Yeah that's okay, in fact I played the game as a regular zelda first too, chaining dungeon, in fact the main criticism when the game was out was about te lack of dungeon too, which we were train to expect ...

Also playing that way leave you underpowered against the final boss which is the best zelda final boss (or boss period), most of people who 100% it had the mask of fierce deity and that made the boss a walk in a park.

I 100% it after beating the final boss, that's only then the social gameplay with mask reveled it's greatness, however the moment where it really hit me was the anju quest, which you finish 5mn between the end of the world, and then you realize that, well, they are doomed and you will go back in time defeating their reunion ... ie that in practice all their struggle will always be for nothing (well until the ending sequence in the 4th day), which kind of really hammer the point of the game, then you start noticing small thing, the grand mother isn't senile at all, she plays it to avoid the awful meal of her son's wife, the zora band'singer still expect the return of her beloved who is definitely dead and the son of the deku butler might be that deku mask you were using, dang!!!

The thing that made the last boss so incredible is that in zelda you are train to be fed with needed supplies as you deplete them. Well there is 5 pots, all give heart, get your shit together bitch, there is multiple way to defeat the boss, find them! Of course it makes great use of the mask! For exemple the first boss pattern was easy, I thought, use fucking arrow because we had similar boss in zelda so obvious! but I depleted arrows! no supplies WHAT? the best was trading magic and live to electrocute the boss when in wrath mode using the power of the zora (if you had magic), pleasure! Nowaday we have stiff gannonfight :( and while I love kolokoto and ghirahim, well they have very stiff pattern with only "execution" as a mean to defeat them :(

Of all the Zelda games I've played so far I actually found the final boss of Phantom Hourglass the most challenging and varied.

*SPOILER ALERT FOR ZELDA PHANTOM HOURGLASS*

And dramatic. Fighting a possessed Linbeck with a constant camera lock on him with Ciela talking to you while you move is pretty intense, especially since fighting to free a Redeemed Linbeck comes in line with your motivation to save the world by defeating Bellum. PH probably has one of the best story arcs of all the Zeldas, and it's up there with Twilight Princess in terms of characters. The main gripe I have with it however is how Tetra is a useless chunk of stone, even after you get her back from the Ghost ship.

*SPOILER ALERT FOR ZELDA PHANTOM HOURGLASS*

And the main gripe most people have is of course constantly returning to the same temple, but I didn't find it that annoying. You keep going to different floors. You barely have to deal with the older floors again except perhaps moving those gems to open doors (which gets easier later on anyway) and you get a warp thingy.

*SPOILER ALERT FOR ZELDA OCARINA OF TIME*

I actually suck at the OoT Ganondorf battle, tho. I keep missing with the bow or get hit by the electricity or jump down. :p So that makes it difficult because I suck and not so much because it's actually that complicated. It's seriously A LOT easier to hit with a bottle than the sword, tho. That much I've established.

I replayed it not long ago, tho, and noticed how awful the camera is during the battle against Ganon. It keeps working against you when you try to get behind him a lot of the time.

LOL.

Yeah I liked PH more than ST, the temple wasn't annoying at all, and the overall theme of being a speedrun temple just made it more appealing. The level design of the floors was top notch to the point that I loved re-exploring it over and over again, whereas the same concept in, say SS, would get monotonous easily because purely linear exploration with no interesting locales/enemies to make up for it, save for the desert

But it has suuuuuch a great soundtrack. Listening to it right now.

AND TRAINS.

TRAINS.

The main song of that game made me so hyped. I can't even describe it.

It's sad and happy at the same time. It's like nostalgia: the song even tho I had never heard it until last summer (of course that summer meant a lot anyway so that made it truly meaningful, but still – it's so amazingly emotional).

i hated both the DS zeldas

call of duty & battlefield

Let's revive this thread and shout: Skyrim

Little Big Planet.

Half Life 2
Super Mario Galaxy
Most Zelda games
Minecraft
Terraria
Ico and Shadow of the Colossus
No More Heroes
Psychonauts
Pokemon
Dark Souls
Every main series Final Fantasy game starting with 4
Every Bethesda game except Morrowind
Mother series
Civilization
Witcher series
Super Meat Boy
Braid
FTL
Portal
Team Fortress 2
Batman Arkham Asylum
Doom 2016
Little Big Planet
Ron Paul
Ikaruga
Jet Set Radio
Mount & Blade: Warband
Resident Evil 1-3
Okami
Metroid Fusion
Baldur's Gate series
Fire Emblem series
Rick Santorum
Unreal Tournament
Most of the Castlevania series
Megaman series
Super Mario RPG
Paper Mario
Golden Sun
Barack Obama
Total War series
Bioshock series
Al Gore
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic
Mass Effect
Hillary Clinton
Gunstar Heroes
Strider
Chess
Frogger
Sonic the Hedpgeorge
Video Games in General

Cave Story

Undertale is overrated
Lisa the painful is underrated

Every single Nintendo 64 game except superman 64 (the textures are blurry, muddy  and ugly. Everything is either running at 5 fps or it's full of jarring blobby 2D sprites that clash with the environment)  :handthumbsdownL:

Every single fighting game (wow a competition in who can memorize and input cheatcodes in real time the fastest, what a great time!) Tekken is arbitrarily exempt! Bushido Blade doesn't count!

Half-Life (it's fun but it was secretly the first popular bad FPS and paved the way for 800,000 clones wich shifted focus where you also had to listen to hours of NPCs telling you about the justification a bad writer came up with for someone to shoot hundreds of monsters with sci-fi guns, essentially ruining the genre)

Unreal (by me) (it's a good gam and mindblowing at the time and the weapons are really creative and mostly hold up, the story and tone is perfect for the genre and it still has the best music in an FPS by far, but let's be honest: the real reason it resonates so well with me is because I was stuck with it as the only newish game to play for several years because I didn't have money or internet. Even though the AI was great the combat actually generally compares poorly to its contemporaries exactly because the developers realized nobody would notice the AI unless they made every enemy about 7x as strong as you'd expect from looks and genre experience, which made those cool and creative weapons feel unimpactful and unsatisfying)

Zelda 3 (same reason as Half-Life. Good game but shifted focus from free exploration, problem solving and genuine sense of adventure, to following directions from NPCs)

Neoliberalism (The loan-based economy with eternal concentration of wealth to a rent-seeking elite is obviously not socially or economically sustainable. Senseless market deregulation and privatization has served only corporate interests and led to ever worse compensation and conditions for workers, along with irresponsible exploitation of resources. SAPs are nothing but thinly veiled neo-colonialism and have had devastating effects on countries and people of the global south) :handthumbsdownR: :handthumbsdownR:

All Metroidvania-like games

Every game that is not my favorite or that I dislike is overrated solely based on the fact I said so. Don't bother arguing against my hastily made opinions because somewhere out there on the internet someone probably agrees with me and maybe, just maybe, a random blog made by an overzealous basement troll reaffirms my sentiments therefore I am absolutely correct. I refuse to believe otherwise. Also, everything you enjoy is overrated because I enjoy making inflammatory statements for no good reason. Now enjoy your overrated garbage while I play some Street Fighter 5. *Takes a sip of his juice box*

Juice boxes (They're complete shit. Enjoy your overpriced tiny portion of 20% sugar fake chemical tasting orange "juice".)

I will. *Sips as he plays No Man's Sky.*

Agreed, on top of that the austerity measures, which the game presents as the solution to "develop the economy", makes massive cuts in public services and their workers, increases prices on essential goods, and the "flexible conditions for companies" are just code to take away power from workers to give them to employers.
To my disbelief, this game is on the GOTY list of many countries every year. It's also the favorite in the European Union, which even makes countries that don't like it to play for years, and threatens those who don't like the game enough.

And every patch just seems to make it even more imbalanced. It's like the developers are doing it on purpose!

schoq's forum posts are the most overrated

mine are correctly rated as the best btw, in case you were wondering

The concept of overrated is overrated.

time to get into specifics (i actually like a lot of the games i listed btw, i didnt make it easy for myself by only listing popular games i don't like). CHECK OUT MY EDGY AND CONTROVERSIAL OPINIONS

Zelda: has huge nostalgia value for me and most of them are good games. however, a lot of the later ones are action-adventure games full of simplistic combat and tired puzzles. they feign exploration and nonlinearity and have serious issues with pacing on top of that.

Half Life 2: Seemed mindblowing when it came out, but in retrospect it's just HL1 with some physics gimmicks added to it. I haven't played any of the episodes.

Civilization: A game I like that is about 3 times as long as it needs to be. You're going to spend almost half of your turns simply waiting for research to finish or units to move somewhere. Given that Sid Meier is the guy who said "a game is a series of interesting decisions", his own game has a remarakbly low density of them.

Bioshock: These games are supposedly "philosophical", but are in reality just sophomoric both-sides-are-bad "grey morality" crap. Also none of the games even come close to System Shock (I played System Shock after Bioshock btw).

Braid: See above. Ok as a puzzle game, but as a "deep" narrative game? Come on.

Ikaruga: A good game but not actually that outstanding in its genre. Just gets a lot of hype from people who haven't played other shmups.

Okami: Zelda with all of the pacing issues magnified tenfold. At least the gfx are pretty.

Dark Souls: My own stance on this game should be clear enough, but I feel like Dark Souls 1 in particular gets too much praise. The "interconnected world" is cool and all, but in the end Demon's Souls and Bloodborne surpass this game in level design. DkS1 has some levels that are legitimately terrible by any standard (Lost Izalith!!!). Also the Souls fanbase is getting shittier and shittier.

Doom 2016: Got the benefit of initial low expectations and sudden hype. It's better than Serious Sam and Painkiller and is a fun game in general, but like the aforementioned games, gets old extremely fast.

Super Mario RPG: Feels more like a prototype for the far superior Mario & Luigi games.

Ron Paul: Never had a chance in hell to even win the primaries and in the extremely unlikely event of getting elected president would have immediately sold out all of his ideals. He is also racist and was only popular on the internet bc he wanted to legalize weed. Also US libertarianism is dumb.

Barack Obama: Failed to close Gitmo and continued the US's imperialist foreign policy unbridled.

No More Heroes: It's kind of cool that most people who played this game seemingly failed to realize that it's a very mean spirited satire of gamer and otaku culture. However, that doesn't change the fact that it's a shitty beat em up with nonexistent level design, bad motion controls and inane minigames.

Fire Emblem: One of my least favorite SRPGs. There's not a lot of interesting strategy in these games, and the static AI hampers the tactical part. They're basically puzzle games with dice rolls for damage.

Metroid Fusion: Good, but nowhere near Super Metroid.

Video Games In General: Most videogames are designed to waste your time with bullshit and the "medium" in general is frustratingly conservative and narrow in its focus.

just to be clear I don't actually play games and only derive pleasure from the medium in an abstract way by abrasively arguing online about the ones I remember playing

Schoq's posts are always high quality. Approved by me.

don't encourage it

Rick Santorum: I forgot who this actually is, but I like his last name so why not include him?

This thread is pure salt

Bethesda games: Are fun but playing them feels like gorging on fast food. There are a million things to do but most of them are boring/the same and none of them provide a memorable experience, except morrowind because its world is more interesting than the rest. They are also massive timewasters. Bethesda also butchered Fallout with FO3 and to a lesser extent 4.

Little Big Planet: This is what happens when you spend so much time on your level editor that you forget to make a decent game.

Final Fantasy: Another RPG series with games that are about 5 times as long as they need to be.

Ico and SotC: Ico is a fairly normal puzzle game and SotC is just Boss Rush Zelda. These games are not in any way "experimental" or capital-A Art (even Fumito Ueda himself says this). They just have good art direction, is all.

Gunstar Heroes: Maybe I am too young but I have no idea what the big deal with this game is. It plays like every other run n gun ever.

Total War: Michael Bay strategy games with cringey voice acting.

Golden Sun: A bog standard JRPG with really inane story sequences that got a lot of attention for 1. having the best graphics on GBA, 2. introducing a lot of kids to the genre.

Al Gore: Talks about global warming while driving an SUV.

Resident Evil 1-3: I'm sorry but bad controls are not scary, they're just bad. RE4 is by far the best in this series. 1-3 are still ok tho.

Pokemon: A series consisting of about 5 million nearly identical games (not counting spinoffs because no one cares about those).

Mega Man: See above.

Here are some more overrated games

Spelunky: not a real word

Cave Story: stars a green nosed dude with sideburns and an antenna on the back of his head

Mario: ridicules the working class

Donkey Kong: bananas are all clones

Dragon Quest: super saiyans are racist

Ghosts n Goblins: the polka dot underpants gag is not very funny. also decide on a title ffs

Crusader Kings: i heard theres this weird tradition in sweden where everyone watches some shitty ivanhoe movie from the 80s every year in january or sth.

Splatoon: bad title pun

GTA: cars are bad for the environment

Saints Row: it's the nutshack

Madden: why is this weird "sport" called football while actual football is called soccer?

The Order [whatever the year is]: the ODOR

Assassins Creed: contrary to popular belief, Dan Brown is not a good writer.

In my opinion, making, purchasing, possessing, playing talking and thinking about video games should be outlawed.

[...later that evening Silbereisen was found dead face down in his driveway with a PS2 copy of Dragon Quest 8 piercing his spine. Spraypainted on the pavement next to his body were the words "Smiling Blue Slimes 4 Life Muthafucka!" beneath a crudely drawn blue gumdrop-looking thing. The police still have no suspects.]

Optical media for video games (oh cool you have to wait 10 seconds when moving between rooms in every game now and the reader is always the first part to fail on any unit, but at least they can store lots of data except 100% of the time all it was used for was really ugly "FMV" cutscenes and allocating budget towards them is of course mandatory to show that the game was expensive)

otoh carts were often expensive af compared to CDs

if megan fox married michael mann and adopted his surname, she would be called Megan Mann

a nice meal is often expensive af compared to poop !

The 2016 Eurovision winner (I don't even remember the song at all but it's obvious no matter which side you're on that Ukraine won for political and not artistic reasons, especially when you compare it to Russia's contribution which was an actually catchy song with a frankly jaw-dropping stage performance, which was nodding at but greatly surpassing Sweden's winning contribution from the previous year)

ur still salty about this lol

say the guy who drops salty beat about video games, you should start a bbq music band together

gimmy's posts are the second most overrated right after schoq's

Vaporware always allow for people to imagine what's not there

Safety razors (I bet whipping up lather from shaving soap with an authentic badger hair brush and then going at it with a $200 piece of shaving equipment is fun and all but don't pretend it's about somehow getting a higher quality result rather than weirdly fetishizing the first half of the 20th century)

i shave by surgically removing each of my facial hairs individually

A good working class safety razor is like $20 and blades are like ten dollars for a pack that will last you two years.  It's far more economically sound than disposables.

Saving money is overrated.

this thread now

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you're just a shill for Big Safety

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR-w-1HCHeU

I shave with safety scissors.

Drive (2011 film) (It's ok.)

Megan Mann fucking sucks

Resident Evil 5
Transformers: Devastation

Minecraft is overrated; Diablo series and Outlast are underrated.

I'd say it's more of a circlejerk

pretty much every game by platinum is overrated, except vanquish which is underrated (and is their best game by far) and madworld which is correctly rated as trash.

HELLO i make GAMES

Overrated

Killing Room: currently super popular rogulike fps that's being streamed a lot is shallow, boring, repetitive, and has terrible mechanics...its literally popular because it's popular
BullShot:  Parody of classic run-n-gun, dos-era pc platformers like Duke2 (the logo even looks like duke2) but the levels are just slapped together and completely uninspired, and they're all super linear.  It's selling and getting positive reviews entirely on charm, because as a game it's not very good.
Breath of Death VII This got popular on steam due to it's humor, it's an uninspired, crappily made RPG Maker rpg with sprite work and tile work that makes NES games look high-res, copy-paste levels with no reason other than to extend gameplay length, and a combat system that doesnt matter because you can just mash attack and win every single fight.
Nuclear Throne: This game isn't bad but it's pretty...meh.  IT has a GREAT visual style but the gameplay is just plain mediocre, not bad though, i just don't think it deserves the level of hype it gets.
Slime Rancher: It's cute and wrangling slimes is fun...but after about 30 minutes you've basicly seen everything the game has to offer.  It's still early access so maybe in the future but as of now it needs some serious content.  Another one that's not bad, just somewhat overhyped.

Underrated

Dead Secret: A very well made atmospheric adventure game designed for VR. It's a bit like myst in that you actually have to pay attention to the clues because you have to actually solve the mystery to beat the game.
Elite Dangerous: It doesn't have the hype train behind it like Star Citizen and such and people always quickly vote it down for being "expensive with nothing to do", but it is by far the most expansive space sim, with the best combat and most to explore, and new content, ingame story, etc comes out on a WEEKLY basis. It always sits with "mixed" reviews on steam but is one of the best games I've ever played.

A shame you gave up at the end.

Also if optical storage is less expensive why do I still have to pay 60 bucks for a video game.

These games are probably correctly rated if it takes half a thousand dollars to even be able to play them.

come now, all games have some sort of hardware requirement, be it a certain level of graphics card, xbox/ps4 controller, etc... can't poorly rate a VR game because you don't have VR to play it with...that's like me calling all xbox one s games shit because they wont run on my pc....besides, both games are perfectly playable outside VR, you just don't get the extra control and immersion.

Also elite is only $59.99 if you buy it packaged with a ton of ingame swag and ALL current expansion packs...it's hardly breaking the bank. (the core game is only $24)

btw where do I donate towards silb and/or capn regularly writing about video games somewhere I can see it

Side Rant:  I see this a lot on steam, and it's one of the many reasons i think steams ratings system on games is complete ASS. (there's TONS of great games with mixed/negative reviews and TONS terrible games with positive reviews)  People buy a game without looking at the bar on the right that spells out the minimum requirements and recommended requirements then immediately bitch about the game running "like crap" on their 5 year old laptop.  For some reason AAA games it's "expected" to need newer hardware but if a game is tagged "indie" it gets voted to oblivion for having graphics requirements above "potato"

Not to say ALL ratings on steam are bad, there are quite a few games that end up where they're deserved. But just maybe steam could build in some warnings, since it DOES know your system specs, and maybe have more in-depth rating than just thumbs up and down so you could filter out the nonsense.

Steam is the most overrated game of all time

Steam (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/27833/steam) is actually pretty fun. I've never played the physical game, but enjoy the app on my tablet.

My guess is that big budget AAA games would be even more expensive if they came in a different physical format. :p

i have pretty much stopped buying physical games

Gamer Culture: for shit like this: (but not only)
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https://twitter.com/dodgyville/status/818264645827891200

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Oh. :(

Of all time? I have to say Skyrim. What a load of codswallop.

gay is the worst game of all time

I use to like skyrim but then I put my arrow in a ****

"I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee." is the most annoying sentence EVER!

Hey, stop right there! from bloodlines is worse

patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

my sister has been super into skyrim lately. she told me that "i took an arrow to the knee" is apparently something that was said in the middle ages when somebody got married. I'd have never known.

I've never played sky rim but I have seen morrowind

Yeah it's some word from the scandinavic culture.

Edit: but it's still annoying. I've played Skyrim a few minutes ago, the first thing I heard in Solitude was this sentence.  :outraged:

as a scandinavic cultural I can say that I also haven't played skyrim or heard of marriage being likened knee injury

Maybe the people are just talking crap.
They say: 'It's scandinavic" that it fits the Nords in Skyrim.

And here we go with the next annoying sentence: "Skyrim belongs to the Nords."

Every. F**king. Minute. With. Lydia. (In a battle  :whome: )

I'm a political nordist btw

what about the ivanhoe movie tho

that used to be a thing but I'm not sure we do it anymore. sad imho

Context for an old fogey out of the loop?

Doom 2016

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I thought the general consensus on this was that it was incredibly mediocre, fun combat but repetitive and got old fast due to the level design being a linear chain of monster spawning arenas connected by hallways, and the chainsaw/ammo mechanic making any pacing irrelevant due to the supply of infinite ammo and health at all times.

A solid Meh/10

like i said, i think doom 2016 got a lot of hype because expectations were fairly low and then it turned out to be Pretty Good. the fact that it already isn't being talked about much anymore is kind of a testament to its lack of longevity.

it won one of the steam awards , the steam “Boom Boom” award

*500 crickets chirping the riff to metallica's "master of puppets" in unison*

Metroid Prime.

i am enjoying doom a lot, idk. it's got good flow and is pretty ridiculous

Pachinko

the environmental design paradigm of "sloppy tubes or wires across the floor"

resembles the bedroom of the average game developer


ART IMITATES LIFE

I just recently played Axiom Verge and felt pretty underwhelmed outside of the presentation values. Combat is generally very boring (bosses are some of the most predictable/repetitive ones I've seen in a long while in a game of this complexity,) and the ambiguity of the game is so extreme that it felt like an upgrade and its corresponding "generic wall gate" could be separated by half the world map.

I don't blame people for getting excited about new metroidvanias or even enjoying them based on their merits, but it feels like sometimes the community is so starved for a proper "Metroid" that the game gets treated like its the rebirth of Metroid itself.

see also: symphony of the night

The first Max Payne is overrated. The game's mechanics and level design are great, and the stages look nice, but I never liked the writing. The misanthropic monologues from Max (which is a pretty much a 2D character), the other characters are forgettable for the most part, failed joke attempts, etc, 

Max Payne 2, on another hand, is underrated and the best entry of the series. It's pretty great, it improves everything from the original.

Every game that doesn't have a co-op mode

... or couch-multiplayer

SOTN's combat system was awesome though, super responsive and no weapon/spell/etc was useless so you could play through the game the way you wanted.  Aria of sorrow then took that and ran with it and to this day is i think the best metroidvania type game ever made, it simply has the most unique and fun combat system ever, with literally thousands upon thousands of combinations of soul sets and equipment.

Axiom Verge on the other hand, has an amazing story and a great art style but the combat just wasn't that great...there was a huge variety of weapons (there's what, like 30 different weapons in that game? I forget how many i had by the end) but really only a few of them were even useful outside of 1-2 situations.  most of the early game weapons were just too OP too, so they basically ended up being your main weapons for the entire game.  Plus the enemies were just really not that varied, most just patroled and fired projectiles.  corrupting them into other stuff was neat and some had cool effects but it got old fast.

nearly all old games (older than ~10 years) are overrated

Calling things overrated (or pretentious) is something I really hate. Its a bit of a pet peeve of mine and makes me just want to play devil's advocate for whatever game or movie or song is involved, possibly making some big embarrassing baby-rants in their defense. I really hate these two words, they make me cringe. I scrolled over some of this topic and I hated the experience overall, 4/10.

You're all doo-doo heads!!! ! ! !!  ! !! ! !!!

Frankiesmileshow's posts are definitely overrated as well as pretentious

(hint: most of this thread is just shitposting)

Welp I was gonna mention Dust: An Elysian Tail is the most overrated title I ever played but then I looked at the first couple of pages of this thread and seems like I already mentioned it back in 2014.

DeviantArt graphics, squeaky voice acting (that is impossible to turn off) and nonstop button-mashing combat, why is this 95% positive on Steam? At least the ending is OK.

Every post I made in this thread is 100% sincere

that's why your posts are the most overrated

euro vision winner 10/10 would bad case again

Is there someone whose posts are not overrated?

yes, you

as i've already said in this thread, my posts are correctly rated as the best

GREAT!

wtf why have I been on this site for more than 2 years already without doing anything

try 9 and a half years

lurker since 2003

this web site tried to destroy me for not making a game, but in the end it was i who destroyed it

The game you would have created would be the most overrated of all time.

absolutely correct

And yet, we'd all buy a copy.

I wouldn't

Silbereisen lies.

I've got it on good authority that he also owns a massive collection of only the most overrated AAA games all of which sit directly next to a well-kept Surge vending machine and a TV setup that has DVDs of all seasons of The Real World playing infinitely on repeat.

I'll be honest: The worst part about Donald Trump winning the presidential election is that it precludes the possibility of new seasons of universally acclaimed Reality TV entertainment series "The Apprentice" being produced.

arnold does it now and when he fires someone he says "Youre terminated get to the chopper" and presumably his next public sex scandal will involve a talkboy ala true lies

I bet it's all part of his plan to run for president

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I'll be elect!

this thread is overrated

i made that joke on like page 1, so your post is even more overrated than the thread

Quoting overrated posts is more overrated than writing overrated posts.

dying from gunshot wounds in a heroic last stand against evil is overrated

if you die you not a hero, you just a minor character

you either die a hero or you live long enough to feature in tired sequels and uninspired reboots for decades until your brand is dry and lifeless

quick deaths are extremely overrated

mario should have died rescuing peach, we'd have sequels with peach avenging mario

RIP heath lecher

ur all overrated

Nested quotes are severely overrated

Mentioning a narrative device that is genuinely overrated is pretty overrated

Having a bad case of diarrhea is overrated. It's not as fun as it sounds folks!!

diarrhea owns

spongebob

Overwatch is over

I also didn't like overwatch that much :( but i really wanted to

Overwatch is the most overrated game in 2016

overwatch is a very enjoyable fps game to play with my friends

your friends would vote ron paul if pokemons told them to

give me overwatch and a computer that can play it and also time to play gam

instead of playing computer games im contributing towards developing a cell model to study an incurable eye disease, which unfortunately renders me unable to have an opinion about the over watch game

I didn't think overwatch was that amazing, it just stood out by being the only fps worth playing at all that wasn't complete shit in the past 13 years.

yeah same but that's kind of am accomplishment though

lol what a nerd

But if its incurable, whats the point?

what do you think the point might be, smerik?

I chuckled irl

Dark Souls 3. Selling the same game for 5 times is quite an achievement (not talking about sport sims)

Since you cannot change reality, i think the point is; altering the eyes which perceive reality.
You're betting on endogenous retinal stem cells that could replace lost photo receptors and retinal pigment epithelial cells to cure diseased eyes.

stunningly incorrect

Is it like those sunglasses in "They Live!"?

Yes. But after Superb Joe kicks the shit out of you for ten minutes before forcing them on to your face, you find out they're just normal sunglasses.

Now I'm curious about those details medicinal fact joe is working on, even though it's certainly above my level, lol, can curiosity cure the cat?

i can't tell you about it until i get around to publishing it but i made a very cool and very stupid scientific discovery that is part of the process of developing a cell model for a very specific disease that has no cell model and only very bad animal models that nobody uses

Cong rats.

You wanna land a job at Umbrella Corp.

Good luck joe! Science is full of stumbling around discovery anyway, that's a tradition.

I want to know about the stupid discovery

cliffhanger

im more interested in troll face: meme inspired card game

What have the Irish ever done to you?!

It was a reference to the rat enemies which appear in copious quantities in the multi million selling mega blockbuster television game hit "Donkey Kong".

[inverse psychology] Than definitely don't click this link: https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=58900.0[/inverse psychology]

We even have a nice Superb Joe meme (https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=58900.msg1305970#msg1305970)

cool

god damnit fuck you

Fasteriskck you

This meme is pretty nice :lol:

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I think im gonna get death threats by saying this, but dark souls? just because the difficulty and having to repeat things over and over felt like more of chore than an enjoyable game..but i guess others find an appeal to it

Pissing is underrated imo

how dare you

Shitting is overrated

However shitposting is underrated

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that's right I didn't spend all that time in mspaint on one-off pictures

I never understood how the dark souls = super hard gam thing started, especially when it was in truth an extremely easy game. (ESPECIALLY when compared to demon's souls and later bloodbourne)  And before anyone points out the "prepare to die edition" thing, the "hard game" meme thing was already there from demon's souls before that, they took it and ran with it for marketing.

you want an ACTUAL hard game play ninja gaiden sigma, there's very few games that can cause me to ragequit and that's one of them...

uhm demon's souls is the easiest in the series by far

anyway souls games aren't really hard, they just have a learning curve due to some unconventional mechanics (and poor explanation if i'm honest). they are also non-easy games in a traditionally easy genre.

i think dark souls difficulty comes from multiplayer feature. You can barely fight more than 1 enemy, all bosses are big, easy to aggro in one direction and have exposed rears, while human sized bosses generally come in numbers.And that becomes a problem because its impossible to find someone if your area who is your level and is a Dark souls player.
Last one is important, because DS is a hardcore product that appeals only to several million people who are so disconnected from reality they consider that level of dedication to the product "easy".

i know you're just trollin, but this is beyond dumb. the reason you can "barely fight more than 1 enemy" is that the mechanics are centered around 1 on 1 fights and you're supposed to proceed carefully, rather than charge into groups.

secondly, almost every boss in the game is balanced for solo (excluding the optional bosses in dark souls 2 dlc) and becomes trivial in co-op because their AI clearly wasn't built for handling multiple players, so you can just kite them to death. also human sized bosses in dark souls 1 and demons don't "come in numbers" wtf. the mob boss thing was something that dark souls 2 introduced. ornstein and smough is considered one of the most "memorable" bosses because they are literally the 1 of 2 bosses in the game (not counting pinwheel) where you fight more than 1 thing.

did you know that you can also barely fight more than 1 enemy irl

Why did they do more than one enemy in 1v1 fighting game? I clearly saw a player character being atacked by a groups of 2-3 sceletons, ghosts or tree-mans in this game about 1 on 1 fighting. Also certain human boss atacks you with two buddies in 1 v 1 combat. Clean aggro spheres and player underpowerness seems like more common reason to not run through level.
one player kiting and other hitting the enemy is what i was talking about. Also its so good at balancing bosses, people only can beat them with complete attack pattern knowledge in a drawn out fight. ts as if game teaches you to proceed carefully through blocking and rolling through exploitable hitboxes. As for AI, i dont think they made some enemies not see heights by design.

first of all, have you even played any of these games? because your posts kinda sound like it


"centered around" 1v1, not "exclusively consisting of" 1v1. and skeletons and tree people are weak trash mobs. dark souls 1 doesn't have a single instance outside of the ornstein&smough and 4kings bosses where it forces you into combat against multiple strong enemies.

??


yes and it makes bosses extremely easy because it means players won't have to pay attention to things like attack windows and so on. 1 player can button mash while the others have all the time in the world to heal up. i can count the number of times i've lost against a dark souls boss in co-op on 1 hand and i'm not a "good" player. thanks for agreeing with me i guess.



uhm no? who is "people"? also the average boss fight in dark souls 1 takes around 3-4 min at an adequate level brah

anyway, of course souls games are "hardcore" games for nerds, but they are at the lower end of difficulty considering the target audience. i find most fighting games, multiplayer shooters, devil may cry genre games, shmups, "oldschool" platformers" etc completely unplayable and i can play souls games just fine, thanks to their fairly low skill ceiling and ways to exploit/puzzle out situations.

fighting games in particular are balls hard

Sigma was created for the express reason of making the game easy  :biglaff: try ninja gaiden black, my brother finished that game

tekken is one of the worst about the thing u complained about tho

tekken is slow enough to actually react some of the times and the button combinations are intuitive

(irl you're right, I just enjoy playing it with other fightgam noobs. I can't imagine there'd be any joy treating any fighting game as an actual competition)

I beat black...many times...used to go over to a friends house and we'd play it on master ninja trading controllers whenever we'd die. It's the reason i picked up sigma, i didn't own an xbox myself and sigma was basicly black with added chapters.Personally I found sigma actually to be harder because the added areas you're required to play are COMPLETE bullshit and you basicly get 1hk by everything...and there's areas of the game where some of the modified enemies are a tad bit faster and from time to time infinite stunlock you (especially the exploding shuriken guys...). Seriously, the Rachel missions are complete rage inducing bullshit, she handles nowhere near as good as ryu, she dies easily, and has some of the most spammy enemies and bosses of the game.  The only thing they changed that makes the game "easier" is there's a few extra save points in those areas where there didn't used to be a save point for like 2 hours, and the ability to attack while in water. They also added the ability to use the bow while moving but there wasn't much point to it as outside of scripted locations it's still a useless weapon, especially when you have exploding shuriken or the windmill shuriken most of the game.

btw every single fighting game ive ever played (except smash) has been an exercise in frustration at being unable to pull off even simple moves (i can't reliably do a hadoken in street fighter). at some point i stopped trying and moved on to games i can actually play.

There's a tie for best fighting game between Super Gem Fighter and Bushido Blade. Search your heart, you know it to be true.

Bushido blade is too good to count as a fighting game

Star Wars: Masters of Teräs Käsi <3

i havenever plalyed it

in the story mode you can stab the final boss in the neck while he's doing his intro monologue and win

it's a very good game

I've tried to get into fighting games but having to memorize super-arbitrary button combos and timing doesn't sound very fun to me. Like, I can actually see the basics of what I'm doing wrong in a fight, but the effort necessary to correct it can be frustratingly high. I prefer it when the application of knowledge and the mechanical skill required to carry it out are much more balanced together.

On that note, I feel like Smash is way easier to get into but way harder to master.

these and gals fighters on the neo geo pocket color are the best.
i am exactly the same way.

one of the positive point of tekken (especially since tekken 6) is that it has newbie friendly characters with a move set that doesn't require "simple moves" (hadoken lol) .
You can play those characters on a competitive way ( leo, bob, alisa, hwarang, law etc...) without the requirement of having max dexterity fingers. If you can't pull a hadoken you won't be able to play the mishimas for example.

The only requirement to be able to play in a competitive scene is a knowledge of all characters and how to defense and punish them. which can be too much considering the number of available characters.

Yep, also too many weird characters. Tekken 4 was just fine in that regard, the nicest Tekken for me. The likes like Street Fighter reward "input skills" too much. I believe this approach holds down the potential of a game itself. Tekken is more inline with my philosophy: Communicating the intent of an action should ideally happen as directly as possible. That way you can potentially elevate a game to a higher level. With proper design, the game can be all about fast paced mind games, not being limited by a cumbersome/indirect communication interface. Tekken is not perfect, but that is why I prefer it over Street Fighter, despite having good input skills.

You should play it ASAP. It might be a complex game with high/med/low stances, high/med/low attack buttons, parrying, jumping and climbing, dagger throwing, locational damage, eight different weapons, characters who have special moves depending on which weapon you pair them up with but at the same time you can run around and turn every match into a joust which alone is really fun (and surprisingly effective against the AI). There's a mode where you fight against a hundred dudes in a corridor which is hardcore especially if you're trying to do it without getting killed and you can even play in black and white to mimic old samurai films which is a pretty cool feature.

Indeed,

Hahahahaha holy shit are we just gonna avert our eyes from this or what

I hope there's eventually something like the "roguelite" or whatever genre for fightgams. To me the problem with them (from an "outside perspective") seems to be that they've been stuck catering to the same hardcore/competitive crowd with its particular standards and biases for years now. Nothing wrong with pandering to a particular audience ofc, but if you do it exclusively the genre becomes more and more insular and resistant to design innovation that doesn't chime with the ingrained tastes of your crowd. The same thing happened to an even greater extent with shmups btw.

It also happened with roguelikes big time. Probably even moreso because many devs insisted on sticking with UI design conventions from the early 80s. However, 7DRL and "not TRUE roguelikes" like spelunky gaining traction ended causing a rejuvenation in "traditional" roguelikes as well and caused more new and exciting stuff to be made than in the entire previous 20 years. I hope something like that will eventually happen in fighting games.

nidhogg and back then smahs bros

smash didnt really change the fighting game scene tho did it? it just created its own niche.

does anyone even play nidhogg anymore?

nidhogg's popularity peaked about five years before it was released when it was exclusive to smelly "indie elite" meetups

we could make a list of convention-defying (but still pretty good) vs. fighting games, that sounds fun.

let's see
-Bushido Blade
-Nidhogg
-Smash Bros.
-Sumotori
-WWF SmackDown!
-Destrega

Depends on who you talk to, methinks. Some people don't consider it a fighting game while others do. I wouldn't go starting that argument with hardcore fans though, lol.

Edit: Also, I didn't think Pokken was too bad of a fighting game. Its more nuanced on a tactical level with the plane switches and support options. Granted, it takes some getting used to, but once you get past that the mechanical skill needed to do stuff is OK-ish. My biggest beef with the game, if anything, is how projectile heavy it is. My boy Sceptile can really struggle against certain fights.

That's another thing I don't like about fighting games. I hate it when I find a particular character/strat that I really like, only to find that half of the top-tier "meta" threats more or less invalidate it with minimal effort. Its like the game goes "Here's 50 different ways to play the game. Just realize only 5 of these are good if you want to be super competitive; everything else is just for screwing around. Psyche!" Can you win fights with low-tier threats? Sure, but it often requires way more work on your part than the other guy who's using the better, "more meta" fighter. Its like I either have to be competitive or have fun, but I can't do both.

Or maybe I just don't get fighter games. :shrug2:

what i mean is, it didn't really start a new trend. there are only a handful of "smash-like" games and none of em were well received as far as i know.

pocket rumble is worth checking out, i think

that guy and his whole existence are soooo bad

Nintendo tend to burn the ground around many follower due to 3 factors:
1 - brand recognition
2 - signature gameplay
3 - skyhigh polish

1. makes it that they get the initial good will that help achieve critical mass of people trying it
2. makes it that it's different enough that following it makes it an obvious clone
3. makes it hard to make obvious QOL improvement over what's already there, ie difficult to compete against

That's why there is little clone of their genre, like zelda like and co.

Lethal League. An underrated game IMO

youre obviosly trolling

I've never played Divekick, but I suppose a two-button fighting game is pretty convention-defying

for some reason i mistaken lethal league for divekick. Guess at some point all those american FG crowd pandering local coop games\Iron Galaxy stuff starts to look the same.
Those things deserve to be obscure, they take spartan oppressiveness of Street Fighter 2 and streamline it to appeal to exact 10 people who worked at giant bomb.

wasn't the joke with divekick that it's not convention defying at all, but rather about undressing dominant 2D fighter conventions and taking them to their extreme

it's not easy being a bad dude in the year 2017

its not

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/19000000/Michael-Jackson-WHOS-BAD-the-bad-era-19066957-500-400.jpg)

Yes

Funko Pops

originally the joker was supposed to die the same issue he was introduced as a villain. makes you think long and hard,.

if nier automato ends up in this threadon a justifiable basis i am going to extend my boycott on computer games

I've been looking into this and changed my mind and would like to know what's a recommendable brand for proles

did i post in this thread that ive been using the same disposable razors for 4 years and they still work fine even though they smell like a mouldy bathroom

Transformer devastation is overrated, so is metal gear reveangeance

you are half wrong half rigbt

Given the revolving door nature of comic book death, not really.

Mega Man is underrated

Get:  This (https://www.amazon.com/Merkur-Long-Handled-Safety-Razor/dp/B000NL0T1G/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1487394868&sr=8-1&keywords=merkur+safety)

And then for blades get:  These (https://www.amazon.com/Superior-Premium-Platinum-Personal-Healthcare/dp/B00EXPTR0W/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1487394945&sr=8-4&keywords=safety+razor+blades)


100 blades will last you a year or more.  They should be good, workmanlike blades, and you can decide if you want feather blades which are much sharper but also a bit more pricey.

Good shavings to you!!!

Real
Real talk tho: mega man is overrated and pac man is underrated.

never, but i run out of ironic paragraph with the last superb joe mega rant :(

Try to find a bootleg of Thrill Kill.

Any portmanteau with "man"; they're cheap and 100% of the time they're referring to something unimaginably stupid.

Tigman

good thing pac-man isnt a portmanteau then

i know its an extremely unpopular opinion, but Revelation Online

that was honestly not on my mind at all. I just really wanted to vent about how dumb people sound when they say things like manime and manmories

mancave

manchuria

manbabies

Hackerman

Mega man

dont make games while drinking, please

Darksouls, bad zelda clone

Did anyone take the shaving advice I was asked to provide

mega man is over ated

riddle me this atheists: if mega man is indeed as "MEGA" as he claims to be, why is he so short and blue?

simple: because of a localization error: megaman is in japan known as: rockman: many rocks are, you guessed it: short and blue

That's the most complicatedly roundabout sexual innuendo I've ever read.

Well, in the sense that I already was shaving the way you suggested. I can confirm it was solid advice

I'll be on it and reporting back as soon as I've used up my cartridge razors

Bomberman proves you wrong:P

that's not a port-man-teau

Bombaman

(you can't escape me)

Ninja gaiden, esp the crappy DS game

Mega-man more like mega-overrated

Mario: bad pitfall clone
Zelda: bad hydlide clone
Zelda 2: bad xanadu clone
Donkey Kong: nintendo got sued by the king kong rights holders for copyright infringement
Pokemon: bad dog fights clone
Starfox: bad starglider clone
Mario Kart: bad kart racing clone
Metroid: bad clone of losing your keys irl
Super Smash Bros: bad punching people clone
Klonoa: bad clone of the word "clone"
Mega man: bad clone
Final Fantasy 9: features bad clones

The Silbereisen doth protest too much, methinks

Mega man should be retitled to "perfectly ordinary and in fact slightly below average man"

He's an android and in most artwork appears more like a young boy so the man part is also highly questionable

(http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/85/39/fa451a6582b4ff04790171970c485b4e-mega-man-cover-design-notes.jpg)

I rest my case

"    What we saw was this little pixelated figure of the famous Mega Man running around on the screen shooting.  Bang, bang, bang, he's shooting obviously like this with his arm [Marc points his arm forward].  So I said to the art director, "what is he shooting? What is he shooting with?"  The art director said, "he must have a pistol because I don't see that he's got a rifle so he must have a pistol." 

    "So... a pistol? You want me to do a pistol?" And he said, "yeah, let's put a pistol in there."  So I did what I was told and I put the pistol in there. "

                                                                                                                                                         

it's fucked up that drillman in the background wasn't just given a plain power drill to hold

Proctologist Thomas Light

YOU GOT:  DISSOLVING LEG BONE

@Schoq: that's CrashMan, you pleb. :mockangry:

Ceci N'est Pas Une CrashMan

it all worked very well and so far I can agree that it is a correctly rated appliance and a sound economic investment.
I maintain however that the culture surrounding wet shaving as a practice is weird/dumb.

I have two additions here

Dead Space
 - The cutting off limbs mechanic and the no atmosphere sections were cool (liked how it got absolutely quiet when you went out in space), but got super repetitive, first game was decent, a "pretty good" game, not groundbreaking like most people make it out to be though. Second and third game were crap, especially the third.

Mass Effect
 - B O R I N G game, super easy gunplay with 30-40 minute dialog trees in between.

The dialog tree is the game bro, it's not a shooter

Mass Effect 1 is kinda overfilled with needlessly long dialogue trees almost at the beginning :/

Both Bethesda and Bioware have the nasty habit of making just about every character bombard you with overwhelmingly excessive exposition and most of the time you are stuck having to mine the dialogue trees for quest triggers. The end result, at least for me, is that I care less about the story and game setting and eventually start skipping through a lot of it because I become fatigued with the excess of information. On the other hand, a lot of SNES era RPGs did a good job of sinking me into the story and making me want to know more because the information given was just sparse enough to keep me curious (somewhat of a Dark Souls effect).

It's also the quality of writing.

The classic infinity engine games and more recently the Pillars of Eternity engine games are drowning in dialogue, but it's what I'm looking forward to the most.

Nobody play skyrim for the weightless combat though, nor for the copy paste dungeon. ME 1 is fine

well, i hated skyrim, so...yeah

And before you say i just don't like dialog heavy games, i LOVED Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, and Fallout 1,2 and 4. I just like there being a working game behind the dialog.