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Been playing for a few weeks now and I'm absolutely hooked, blizzard hit gold on this one.  If you haven't played it yet it's basicly TFC with STYLE and great balance, great feeling weapons, characters, sound,etc..basicly what TF2 COULD have been if they'd focused on gameplay first.

It's fun, it's UNBELIEVABLY fun, and it's super fast paced as you get matched with more experienced players.  I haven't been this into a FPS since UT2004.

My SP3 can't run the game boo stop making me desire nice things :(

I talked with a friend about the game and we noticed that we both had the impression that a lot of people seem to be "peer pressured" into buying the game. I wonder how many will be playing it a month or two from now.
The artistic execution of the game is lovely. The ammount of fanart it spawned reminded me of Splatoon and Undertale.

TF2 waifu sim that has no chance of getting anywhere because it has no mapping tools or mod tools.

Dead within a year and a half max.

I wonder about this. Blizzard games usually don't just 'die'. Yes, it's very similar to TF2, but you're really underestimating the power this company has.

Blizzard has become the Disney of the gaming industry, eloquent craftsmanship little more than mannequins laughing mirthlessly with formulaic prose. Overwatch will likely last longer than Heroes of the Storm, even if it is predictable (http://kotaku.com/overwatchs-new-animated-short-explores-hanzo-and-genjis-1776890949).

I'm a bit tired of seeing the internet being so overly enthusiastic about this game
Yes everything is very clean, polished and full of flashy, shiny effects but at it's core it's a dull and repetitive shooter to me.
The game feels like it's going to great lengths to tell me I'm having fun while never actually providing depth or intrest.

It seems to be all the big releases these days, feeding you the metrics you've been conditioned to recognize as entertainment or progress without enough effort or boldness in creating a new and worthwhile experience


I'll agree with that, it's going to get old as soon as people run out of new hats and ass poses to unlock, they'll realize they were only 'enjoying' it because of these metrics and not because of the gameplay

not sure where you got that info but overwatch is a stright up balls to the wall team arena shooter, the TF2 comparisons basicly end after "it has champions and levels".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdjn0jebA3E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdjn0jebA3E)

Anyways, anyone who actually wants to play instead of just parroting nonsense they heard on reddit feel free to add me Raptor85#1752

I haven't played it but this person who's a long term team fortress scholar dating back to the original doom wad(??) said it's "pretty good"

Hm? Prey tell, what are parrots saying on reddit? Such birds are very intelligent, perhaps they know something others don't? Either way, opinions are opinions. If you have fun and learn from the experience, then perhaps thats all that really matters.

As long as they periodically release content they'll be fine. I think the game's gameplay rivals TF2 and I could see it reaching higher competitive play than hearthstone or HotS.

Besides, HotS may be "dead" but every update still sees headlines and there's still a decent competitive base.

Game is incredibly fun and well designed. They did a great job making each character fell unique and useful. It sure has a nice TF2 feeling but it's definitely not the same.

It sucks that it doesn't have any mods or mapping tools, but Blizzard always support their games for a long time and I'm sure that new maps, heroes and game modes are already in the works. I doubt that it will live as much as something like WoW and Starcraft but it won't die in a few months like most multiplayer games.

Not sure why everyone is so caught up on whether or not it's too similar to TF2 or not.
If it's not like TF2 that doesn't make it a good game, if it is like TF2 that doesn't necessarily make it a bad game, why do people argue?

that's what i ask myself everytime i visit a gamming website.

yeah, i looked at it, it doesnt even look similar to games that not suck whats people problem.

It seems pretty obvious to me that this gam was designed to be a TF2 killer, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. TF2 has been around for ages and it's getting pretty old at this point. Some fresh blood in this genre is nice to see.

I'm also just happy that Blizzard has finally made a new IP after spending ten years only producing sequels for their existing games.

I'm also happy blizzard is making a game in a genre I give a fuk about again
less happy I can't actually play

It's nice to have another FPS game that fits in the competitive scene. I never enjoyed Counter-Strike too much and I've been waiting for new FPS titles that could fill the gap.

People are speculating if the game will live for a long time or not, but I think it's too early to say at this point. It's true that the core game play is simple and might get repetitive for some people. On the other hand, the heroes have unique abilities that offer a more complicated game play. Especially if/when Blizzard releases new heroes, maps and modes.

I've enjoyed my time with Overwatch so far. The amount of content is quite small at this point so let's hope it doesn't get boring before Blizzard provides us with more stuff.

i literally couldn't care less about this game, i was just trying to be snarky.

youre probably trolling because youre not pc-gamer if you dont care about new game from the creators of War Craft which is famous game

No reason but I'm mr video, that'w hat it takes for split screen working on stuff where I'm stuck every 2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHevkQIZL2M

Looks like Quake's Bitterman had a child with Tom Clancy. The kid sure takes after Bitterman.

i like playing this game and think it is fun.

i got excited about it because my non-gaming friends got excited about it, which i thought was interesting.

i haven't enjoyed a multiplayer fps since bad company 2.

i don't follow any fan communities for it.

I've had enough of Overwatch during its beta. :) Lack of content, disney-like graphics (it's not bad, but I don't like it), troubles with balance (but probably they've fixed it already)
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I'm neutral about feminism, but I've got to admit - all female characters in OV are typical waifus (except for Zarya), while there are only 1-2 male characters that could be considered as hasubandos. :D
I think it's kinda strange that game industry became something all about sexuality, but man, if you give male players their waifus, give female players their hasubandos. :)

Zarya is a scientificaly accurate  russians women are big and ugly because of their slavic genetics.
Now proper nordic women are slim and naturally beatiful. There is only one proper woman but theres also exotic beatuies i am not racist i dont mind some hot asians.

It's annoying the way every character seems to have been designed for a specific fetish or stereotype.
It's also annoying that there doesn't seem to be anything better to play, and that it's $90

I don't understand if you're being sarcastic or what?
Fat people are everywhere. Eastern european countries have lots of beautiful women. But that's not the case. I actually like Zarya. Russian bodybuilder Vladimir (with a beard and AK-74) would be much more generic.
Just like Mittens mentioned. There are fetish for every male out there.
Sexy tomboys - Tracer
Sexy exotic females - Pharah, Symmetra
Sexy schoolgirl - D.Va
Sexy nerd - Mei
Sexy milfs - Mercy, Widowmaker
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Now what we have for female players?
Hanzo, McCree... That's it? Both representing almost same type of character. Badass hero with beard.
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If we're talking about in-game fanservice, Blizzard should treat everyone equally. Though IMO they should better create more sexually neutral characters. Why the heck they couldn't give Tracer some kind of cargo pants? Gosh, I wanna play multiplayer shooter, not some fanservice fest.
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All text written above is my (and only my) opinion.

russian wife dot com
there is no bearded russians since Peter the Great. Also its offensive considering that moustached man could not be shown on soviet tv.

also what are you talikng mercy and d va look the same age i find it unsitisfying in my female buffet

So basically you're just a troll, got it. :) No arguments, though.

I was going to do a breakdown of which characters actually provide fanservice but it comes down to personal preference too much so I'll just shut up for now.

I'm not sure if informing people that you don't know things about a thing you're not interested in is actually meaningful participation

why buffy zarya had to had russian accent.

ur right. deleted my post.  :-[

dick


i mean richard

The percieved lack of diversity probably has more to do with the shallow pool of available inclusive stereotypes for them to draw from more than anything else. Also, 90$? WTF is with that? I've noticed this trend since Planetary Annihilation where there seem's to be some kind of wierd inflation for AAA titles creeping above 60$.

where is it $90

and i am still enjoying this game by not participating in The Discourse and Just Playing it

it's never been $90, it's $59.99, same as basicly every other new release this decade.  As for lack of diversity in the men...what?  I think they covered pretty much all the bases on the male characters in overwatch all the way from bearded greatness to robin hood/street punk/a fucking ninja/etc. Hell there's even a fat biker if you're into that.  I kinda like how the cast is all over the top stereotypes from all over the world, i mean, come on, the American character is a fucking cowboy with a six shooter.

God this game has pretty much killed my playtime in everything else, it's literally saving me money as i haven't even opened steam to check the sales in weeks, lol.

i think its actually 40 the regular edition, with the Origins edition costing 60, which the proudct site defaults to and nowhere clarifies that there is a cheaper version for sale.

Bleh, was going off Mittens comment, serves me right for not fact checking (although maybe its regional, like Aus?). Its strange though, I could have sworn I saw Doom 4 and Dishonored 2 pre-orders going for 80$, or maybe that was before they announced the collectors edition? God, this is going to drive me nuts now...  :facepalm:

The variety of different playstyles Overwatch characters seem to afford is intriguing though, it'll be quite interesting to see what other kinds of characters and styles they implement.

They forget fan service husanbando sephiroth and kpop boys band bieber

What's amazing is how the community run with the character
- PharMercy ship
- gremlin gamer trash d.va
- dad soldier 76
- etc ...

That said teh design of dva creeps me out

http://kotaku.com/overwatch-fans-have-turned-dva-into-a-dorito-eating-gre-1780675814
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkEW8lNXEAA9e7g.jpg:large)

Yeah, the meme's people have built around them are certainly something, D'Va being something of a cross between Himouto! Umaru-chan with no-scope doritos gamer tropes.

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/86aae3b561c6c7b80299f960db56308c/tumblr_o8f6rykrXW1qe62foo1_500.gif)

Then there's the overwatch porn...

its 90$ in Australia, I think its possible to get a less complete version for 80 or something

Anyway, at this point even 60$ for this amount of content is too much (still better then EA with their Battlefront). I want to praise Rockstar and CD Project Red once again for that shitload of content they've put in GTA5 and Witcher 3 for its coin.
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Companies should optimize their marketing expenses. Too much ads, too many promises, a little of content for the same 60 bucks.

dont praise rockstar

I was expecting overwatch to be free to play, since TF2 is free and people seem really keen on pitting the two games against each other

yuo wait till Christmass

regular edition is 40, special ed is 60

If anyone is interested I wrote about Overwatch's design and about how the classes from TF2 relate to it's heroes: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/ArthurCanziZeferino/20160623/275298/The_Influences_and_Differences_of_Team_Fortress_2_Classes_and_Overwatch_Heroes.php

In PS store there is only 60$ version. In my local game shops it's also 60$. I guess you're talking about PC release.

ah yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXsmG4g3Xk

wat?

westerrn anime

200%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVtOgYJPeLg

people accused her of hacking (cheating)and harassed for being a girl and she's playing live to show the truth.. Seems to have been a big issue in korean overwatch community .
So she played live.

she is using a mask because she  doesn't want her irl life to be affected.

 

oh! that was some mad skill live I had just seen imho

The sources I've read said she was accused because she's just damn good, not because of her vagina. The harassement allegations are also news to me. (Unless you use the Sarkeesian' definition of harassement).

That only make her the second pro player to receive death threats, so much that 2 pro player have definitively left the competition when proven wrong (they made a death threats but leaving where their choice). Too bad those two cases where women by pure luck, if a third case happen we will know it's a pattern. And I'm only restricting the sample to those who became big news. Wait and see!

checked some source:

so 개구리  is a 17year old girl gamer  with a 80% win rate.
player Strobe and his team accused her of cheating and request a proof within a month otherwise they'd come find her home with a knife.

He apologized for the incident after the video lol but well it was still  a death threat.




Competitive gaming is big in korea so death threats should have been happening way more oftenly, so the fact that she is a girl is probably something to consider. 
edit:  여성혐오 misogyny was a  used word for this incident.

Death threats are not harassement. They are death threats. But I'm being petty, point taken (no sarcasm).

yep shouldn't have used that word, had to check the definition lol.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harass


are you guys fucking kidding

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=853

are you guys fucking kidding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment


are you guys fucking kidding

(its harassment)

it wasn't a repeated death treat, so it's not harassment.

you're harassing me with your consecutive posts

"WELL ACKSHUALLY ITS TECHNICALLY NOT HARASSMENT"  :facepalm:

Well Actually, it's Not Technically harassment, because of a very strident definition Made Up By Me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment

Correction: death threats is used for harassment, also see "christina grimmie", not harassment but it's a real threat.

its korea so american law does not apply
maybe hes gonna be judged by the law of quran and expelled out of his cast

I think nobody who engaged in the discussion is american lol

Or maybe? I miss part of the discussion apparently :(

they use imperial english definition of harrass which is disquisting

It's the same in french anyway

And apparently in Korea it was a big deal since 2 person left competitive scene over it

they may have using samurai code of honor

I thought you would have reached the definition of definition by now, but no, caught in a loop of etymological harassment. By law definition ofc, that's the one everybody use on a game dev forum.

holy fuck, this has to be one of the most inane discussions on tigsource ever.

the salient point here is, she is a semi-public figure who got death threats for being "too good" at a videogame. this is bad. who the fuck cares if it was "technically harassment" or not? DUM.

I never get any death threats. I guess I just suck. But that shall be my advantage point once everybody have killed each other for being too good. Survival of the suckiest. Eat that Darwin.

I admitted that I was being petty (or possibly wrong, following this thread), so we can continue talking Ovrwtch  :shrug2:

I bet I'd have a lot of interesting things to say if someone would just buy me a computer and the game (hint)

But did you have marriage proposal? that's teh internet after all

i Still Like overwatch

Seems those Overwatch meme's are causing some facinating cultural existentialism [source (http://kotaku.com/zarya-from-overwatch-has-become-a-gay-icon-ironically-1782833947)]. Some Russians are apparently having difficulty reconciling the opposing concepts of Zarya being both a Patriot and potentially Gay.

they probably dont have difficulty reconciling american made character who is based on cold war era american stereotype.

if there was overwatch movie, she would be 100% played by some grunting austrian.

How the mighty have fallen
(http://i.imgur.com/Ts7sACM.png)

Wow, that blade horns knight with a collar and exposed arms dude is a thing. Hard to beleive how disjointed all the elements on him look.

i just googled the guy and his name is mother fucking ANDROXUS

wow

So... thoughts on Ana?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcCGKrYgr0k

It's a very different way to play, I'm pretty excited to try it out.

looks like pc culture win

A healing sniper seems like an interesting idea, curious to see how that plays out in game. Not sure about that tranq ability though, if Mei's anything to go by it could end up as a new kind of fresh hell for players.

that is a very buff hipster on that pic. i wonder if he can even wear skinny jeans w/o them bursting at the seams.

Yo I just wanted to chime in to say that Overwatch is a game that I like now that I have a computer capable of running it ok thanks bye

im jellus

I bought it :(

my final overwatch review: 'what if there was tf2, except nothing ever happened in it'

Overwatch is having a "free weekend", meaning anyone can download the full game for free (PC, XBOXOne, PS4) and play it for the duration of the weekend. After the weekend you'll still need to buy it to keep playing, but all your progress will carry over from the free weekend.

My wife and I have been playing the hell out of it for the PS4, I got it shortly after it first came out and I am happy to see how much Blizzard has been improving on it and adding new content without making it paid DLC and whatnot.

They just added a 3v3 elimination match where once you die you are out until one team or the other is completely eliminated. It immediately became the most popular mode (at least on the PS4) to the extent that everyone pretty much jumped out of the objective-based season competitive rankings to play it. There is a good reason for that, though, as it somehow hits the sweet spot of the character-based gameplay and comes of feeling along the lines of a balanced out Marvel vs Capcom 3 in FPS format. The characters really mesh well with this mode and the matches are fast and frequent, usually lasting about 5-8 minutes a piece (counting the entire best 3 out of 5 round). It is an absolute blast that made a good game better.

I like to play support/defensive roles usually so in the game I tend to main the snipers (Black Widow and Ana) or Mei or Symmetra for defense, but Sombra is quickly becoming another favorite as I can provide stealth support with her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcrPuSRYA4U



I can't speak for the PC or XBOXOne, but on the PS4 at least that is not the case at all. The matches are almost consistently tight and tactical with great pacing (more so with the newly added arcade modes, especially with the elimination 3v3). Prior to the last update finding matches was no problem, but after this last update (which added the elimination 3v3) pretty much everyone jumped out of every other mode to play e3v3 so right now it is slim pickings outside it. I don't have a problem with that myself, because the e3v3 is perfect and probably the most fun I've had in a FPS since GoldenEye/Perfect Dark or Quake 3/Unreal Tournament.

That 3V3 elimination mode sounds like an Overwatch CS:GO hybrid.

I'm gonna try it.

Let me say I am typically bad at FPS games and have had Overwatch for one day.  I was in 3v3 elimination, 5th round- the deciding round- and it was down to me as Pharah vs the other player playing Pharah.  I got a mid-air kill as we were both rocketing upwards.  It was pretty good.

is dis gam gud

I haven't actually played it but ye it is

It's just TF2 basically

ok not interested then

It's, uh, kinda more than TF2, but it's very similar to it yeah.

it has far more in common with TFC than tf2, tf2 was so slow paced and grounded, personally i found tf2 to be incredibly boring and i love overwatch.  Actually outside of "it has unique champions" there's no real similarities to tf2.  Most overwatch maps are more similar  to the "domination" and "assault" maps from UT, and champion picks/team compositions matter a lot. blizz did a fantastic job of putting the "teamplay" elements from moboas and mixing it with a really fast paced arena shooter.

only fps worth playing that's come out in the past 10 years imho.

Do you think it's possible that a game could be not fun, but instead be convincing players they are enjoying themselves when they aren't really?
Is the difference worth thinking about? If someone has been convinced they are having fun, is that the same as enjoying an inherently fun game?

I've noticed more games doing this recently, where the reasons people seem to keep playing are all superficial. Operant conditioning, numbers and interface indicating a theoretical progression, slot machine style skin boxes and random drops. All manufacturing a sense of achievement, progression and value when the game being played, isolated from all that, is a repetitive drudge filled with overstimulating colors and sounds.
It makes me feel like I need to help people see they are being tricked, but I don't think that works, maybe these people aren't unaware of what they are playing, maybe they want it to be like that. It frustrates me when people worry more about unlocking pointless skins more than getting into enjoying what I would call a 'real' game. It's like someone opening a Christmas present only to obsess over the wrapping, then throwing the rest away

I actually wrote about the differences between TF2 and Overwatch a few months ago http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/ArthurCanziZeferino/20160623/275298/The_Influences_and_Differences_of_Team_Fortress_2_Classes_and_Overwatch_Heroes.php

And already posted on this thread but you guys don't mind, do you?  :whome:

Also campster made a video on it kinda

Some good points there

sometimes i play games as an "activity" to pass time when i dont have the mental energy for something more involved (mainly mobile games), not necessarily to have super crazy intense fun

games succeed on different axes. Predjudicial language (fun/not fun, interesting/not interesting) is good for clear communication, sometimes, but ultimately not the right way to think about it.

Of course it's worth thinking about why a game is good, and how.

Yeah I definitely agree with that. I don't think Overwatch is necessarily one of those games inherently, but I do think either peoples attitudes or the games' systems allow people to get sucked into a skinner box of sorts.
I.e You sometimes see people complain that getting lootboxes in Overwatch is a 'grind' and I just have to wonder, if you've found yourself in that mind-space, playing Overwatch games simply to grind out the next lootbox, then are you actually having fun with the game anymore? Or have you, like you mentioned, convinced yourself you're having fun because you've been roped into a progression loop.

I don't think fun is something that can be convinced upon someone. But I also don't think everyone play games just to have fun, like Silbereisen said, sometimes you just want some distraction to pass time.

But in my experience Overwatch is a pretty fun game, the game itself is quite deep and learning the details of each hero and mastering them can be a fun process, specially with friends. Everything is skill based and so the XP and lootboxes only give you cosmetic items. I can see some people obsessing over those and grinding for them but it's not something that the game forces on you like some other (specially mobile ones) do.

Games like 007:GoldenEye, Quake 3, Street Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat, or even chess don't have "loot boxes" or any real concrete rewards for playing another player, yet they are still enjoyable for the experience of competition itself. I don't think it takes Skinner box trickery to want to keep playing Overwatch, it is a fun competitive and social experience all its own and if anything all the loot boxes accomplish is just giving you a fun little side goal to run along side the main experience with.

I think it is going to come down less to "are you just deluding yourself" and more to "why are you playing?" If you are playing because what interests you most in games is their "casino slots" style reward gambling then yeah, Overwatch is going to be a frustrating experience because the loot boxes just aren't catering to that very well and getting the rewards you want will be a grind. On the other hand, if you are jumping into Overwatch because you are looking for a new competitive game to play with others then you'll likely have a lot more fun with it.

Perspective and priorities are important when it comes to discussing motivation and action.

Online games hinge on a large enough active player base and that's the main reason we see all these hats. "Tricking" of players into spending more time with the game than they would have without ublockables and progression stuff is there to add value for other players.

overwatch's progression is bad enough that i know i don't play it for the carrot

Agreed! The first impression that I had with Overwatch was that the progression was really boring and there were no many reasons to play it for a long period of time. BUT then I sort of gave up that grind mindset that I got mostly from playing MMO's and played just to enjoy the game trying different heroes and stuff.

This is one of the things that Overwatch accomplishes. You don't need a giant progression system to have fun. You can play it non stop and get really addicted just trying different characters, different techniques, etc.

If you are playing only with one character since the start and you want to be the best on the same character it just won't work. It won't be fun, you probably won't get that good (since you won't have enough knowledge about your enemies and how to help your allies) and also your team will probably hate you.

Overwatch is amazingly fun, but you got to be willing to play focusing on the objectives instead of killing people and experiment different playstyles.