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i would like to point out that for 7 years i have been telling the world that mega man is bad, and for 7 years i have been called a troll for it on these forums. well now the worm has turned and people have realised: mega man is bad. i would like to request a formal apology from the guy who fantasised about getting a month long appointment with a prostitute as a backer reward for mighty number 9 when i compared it to a Little Caesar's Hot 'n' Ready Pizza.

i am deeply sorry for what happened to you, super joe. it must have been a traumatic experience and i can't even begin to imagine what you went through.

also, this game is still a thing?

Please program a rating system into the forum so that I can give this five stars.

Love when people dump cash onto a freetoplay Phone game retro clone and rally behind it as a sacred land.

it is and it's getting rave reviews http://opencritic.com/game/1554/mighty-no-9

releases tomorrow, be sure to pick the saviour of the games industry up

Those Pokemon clones that advertise on Twitter

I don't have to make a joke with it, it is an honest juxtaposition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kGwmYzTMM

btw i am euro trash and i have no idea what "prom night" even is other than it's some kind of event that often features in american movies where teenagers get drunk and/or laid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpGZMqxt5bU

thants funny cos its looks like your stuff

the only way this game could be saved is if mega man or mighty mighty man or whatever he's called now is taken out and replaced with kanye west.

Prom night is a dance that happens usually at school and is a celebration for being done with the garbage dump that is high school. The celebration usually extends to a party after the dance is over, most of the time at one of the grad's house.

the funny thing is that everyone backed this for being "the new game by the creator of mega man". if they had done at least a tiny bit of research they would have seen that inafune has fuck all to do with game design in the mogamon games and his creative input was marginal at best. inafune basically hoodwinked everyone into thinking he is something he isn't.

hello i'm the former janitor at capcom, please back my back my new 3d fighting game "road brawler VI"

research would also reveal that Legends is not a good game or a game that people wanted to be released
that comes from a person who beated both games and was present in capcom unity fan-design bullshit

i would rather back that if it were wraiths & trolls

maybe gloomcreepers too

Those are the stretch goals. If i get 8 million dollers I will also make Satan Can Shed Tears, a hyperviolent 3D action game that stresses traditional Christian family values.

kickstarter is the platform that makes any art form capable of reaching the zenith of innovation. please give money to Not Mega Man.

I'm legit excited to play this game. I want to sit down with a notepad, write an indepth analysis of it and then proceed to use it to make a good Megaman like game  >:D I'm not even kidding mark my words I WILL DO THIS AND I WILL POST IT HERE.

godspeed, konaetron

Hey at least the Not Castlevania is looking okay right?

Right?

Right?

Visually it looks better already and Igarashi has a lot of experience making those and he only stopped like 5 years ago, so it should be fine.


haha thanks, but for real though this game does interest me from a game design perspective at least. Being able to compare and contrast the Original series, The X series and the Zero series with Mighty No 9 and see where each succeed and fail should wield a lot of good information and honestly I have a feeling this will play a better than the trailers and videos let on, but I'm going to reserve judgement on that until I get my hands on it.

Did anyone say Mighty Number 5.6 yet

have you considered making a better game than mega man. theres a reason the series died. its bad

i find the original mega man series okay, the x series is better, but not stellar. i really liked the mega man zero games, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwT702zhiRI&ab_channel=NewAccJ12

this is an ok thread. megaman isnt good, and neither is that egoraptor 'game design' video where he fucking loses it about rudimentary level design in megaman 100 or whatever

Megaman did its thing and people liked it. It also did its thing in an era where games couldn't do much more than what it was. It's a game series that heavily relies on the player's ability to overcome its challenges in order to be enjoyable, and some people appreciate that.

MMX would have been better if you could dash with the R button though.

I get that the late 80s and early 90s probably seem like a magical time to you, but at least a dozen megaman games came out after the invention of Good Videogames

I'm 19 I was literally not born in the 80s lol

Egoraptor really lives up to his title

lookin forward

i remember boys posting his castlevania video to preach wisdom from Arin Hanson, an acomplished videogame person.
as for bloodstained, i have doubts becase they use hi-tech models with bump-maps and advanced physics engine on par with Unreal which means they cant just repaint super castlevania 4 sprites so development cycle is approximately 10 years.

egoraptor isn't that bad. he doesn't have anything insightful to say for experienced game devs, but his videos are ok as a gateway into thinking about game design. he is one of the less annoying gaming youtubers, which isn't saying much, but uhhhhh

He is not bad, he has a great taste and understanding of how to make things not suck but he was never involved in logistics and technical part of development which kinda puts him into armchair design boy.

As far as I'm concerned his work is fine, his presenting decent game design practices in fun and accessible way and it's given a lot of people a deeper understanding of the form.


All the more reason to look back on the series and see what's still good about them and see needs / can be updated with our contemparary game design sensibilities. A hell of a lot of good games have come out of similar work (Super Meat Boy, Hyper Light Drifter, Shovel Knight) and Megaman is a prime target for something like this, especially the Zero series as its criminally overlooked in my opinion

Also new Mighty No 9 documentary episode just dropped.

https://youtu.be/Ri4bV3Z186Q (https://youtu.be/Ri4bV3Z186Q)

This sucks.

Thankfully, I new better. But still... missed opportunity to fix what MegaMan lacked. Or perhaps this is a chance for Capcom to fix MegaMan himself? Crazier things have happened.

And by fix I mean reevaluate what MegaMan is and turn it into something up to today's standards.

Dude, I swear, if any Mega Man fanatic sees this, they will instantly have a mental breakdown.

More importantly, I want Capcom to give me the access to the Captain Commando brand/IP. Just do it! I know what to do with it, you don't need to even fund it, I'll figure it out! I will bring your original mascot back to the helm!

WE SHALL SQUASH THAT LITTLE BLUE ROACH OUT OF THIS EMBARRASSING BLOT OF HISTORY FOR GOOD.

Also, Superb Joe is right, Turrican DEMOLISHES Mega Man. Where is everyone whining and complaining about a new game from THAT franchise, eh??

Exactly.

i think mark brow is pretty much the same and nobody complains about his game makers toolkit series (which is about game design)

What is a turdicant





(ftr, i liked the super and mega turrican series)

https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/745311041987371008
a barbaric burn by sonic the hedgehog

((most) of his recent games aren't good either, but inafune was the one that said mn9's initial release was "better than nothing" so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

Turrican is more of an alternative to Contra than it is to Megaman, keyboard warriors.

Mega Man = 1987, Turrican = 1990. Please. Also, Gryzor > Contra (as a word/sound. Wanna argue about it?)

I never liked Mega Man because it felt stilted, even at the time. But it never bothered me either. Guess growing up behind Iron Curtain I didn`t get the mass hype, I`m sure I`d hate it more if I did.

However the MNo9 clusterfuck is a sweet, sweet schadenfreude. I can`t stand Inafune, he was a go to mouthpiece of the Great Anti-Nippon campaign from a few years back. His droning about how Japanese videogaming industry is stale and needs to change and how he`s gonna show everybody why and how was in every Western mag...on and on he went and then his Western projects like Lost Planet 2 tanked and he quietly went back to releasing totally Japanese games with Comcast.

And now he couldn`t even pull this simple reboot off, with atrocious project/fund management and pissing off everybody. Serves his inflated ego well, I suppose.

EDIT: Forget Meek Man, play this: http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=MegamanRL (http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=MegamanRL)

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l m a o

With the release of Mighty No. 9 what am I going to enjoy not looking forward to now.

The Zero games play very differently from the 'traditional' mega men, and yeah I feel like they never get mentioned enough - maybe lumped in with the other mega men due to similarities on the surface. The key differences are Zero's mobility and the Z Saber, both of which you use a lot. The level design ranges from mediocre to good but the boss design ranges from good to flawless, imo.

I would have said 'weirdo fan metacritic review presented by aging newgrounds star' rather than 'ok gateway to thinking about game design'

theyre the only mega man games i ever enjoyed, so i guess that's why.

the actual gameplay of megaman number 9 looks like what was promised but people hate it now because it was delayed and looks like shit instead of having a period of introspection and realising that megaman, as a concept, was bad all along. in all regards but superficial this is what they wanted.

you have to look at his stuff in the context of what game discussion among his core audience is usually like. i'm not interested in what he has to say and don't even agree with him, but he at least presents actual arguments and etc. it's a step up from memes and snark is all im saying.

let me put it this way: if i was forced at gunpoint to watch a video by either totalbiscuit, yahtzee or egoraptor, i would choose egoraptor. thankfully no one is forcing me to watch videos by any of these clowns tho, so im fine.

The amount of shade in this one quote is unreal :biglaff: But yeah it's my favorite of the series by a wide margin and the one I'm gonna be drawing the most from.


Yeah pretty much this, he tries to actually be informative and yeah I don't agree with everything it's s decent effort.

Egoraptor's point with these videos was mostly to expose his view on certain games and their design while also doing a comedy show. This worked pretty well for him, but, admittedly, anyone can see that he analyses things pretty shallowly. The main strong point about Egoraptor however is that he provides a very exciting and interesting tone to his arguments, which is why the series got so popular. It's part game theory, part comedy and part charisma. I personally appreciate the series for introducing me to some game design aspects, so that's why I feel like I should defend it a little in this case.

Point is, he made it fun for me to learn a very involved and complicated topic, and I'm glad he decided to create Sequelitis.

...Even though I would like to refute a few of his arguments or provide a counter-opinion on some of these.  ;)

why the hell would someone pass up the opportunity to, when it's grammatically correct, use the pluralization mans

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but what about the menz????

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Dr. Light's greatest creation

Reminder that keiji inafune is not, and has never been, a game designer. People got salty when hideki kamiya pointed this out on twitter, but it's true.

yahtzee made games

also i know you don't like him but he has a private channel with hour long videos where he talks with a friend about a video game while playing it and other stuff. it shows that he has insight in design he just doesn't show it that much in his game reviews.

theyre pretty good games too

not sure what yahtzee has to do with inafune, who has never designed a game in his life, though.

to reiterate, inafune is a producer (i.e. business guy) and occasional artist and writer (on mega man games lol). he has never designed a game. accordingly, he does not have a design credit on mighty number nine. inafune did not "create" mega man.

so the question is, why did people give him millions of dollars to hire some devs and make a mega man clone?

Keiji Inafune (稲船 敬二) is not a game designer.

answer = business guy

yes but mighty number nine is referred to in most reviews as "inafune's game" and most articles about the game before release made it seem like he is the lead developer, which he, a person who has never designed a game, wasn't.

Because people invest (emotionally and faithfully, not just financially) in symbols and ideals far more than they do in realities. They are investing into his name which has somehow become a symbol associated with Mega Man. The don't really know the reality, so they don't really care about it.

also mighty number 9, not designed by mr. keiji inafune, is a bad game.

i'm still curious to play it once, but will never pay more than a 1 dollar for it

i haven't even played it but i can confidently say that it sucks

i bet 100$ next castlevania (the one with a successful kickstarter) , is going to suck as much as mighty number 9

im unsure. i didnt back the KS so don't care either way.

Noooooo

now the question is, is keiji inafune a bad businessman because it seems like he doesn't know how to hire competent staff.
especially PR.

Incompetent staff is cheaper and lets you keep more of the kickstarter dollars

Ok apparently inafune does have a design credit on soul sacrifice. I stand corrected.

https://www.dsprelated.com/showarticle/645.php
The Number 9, Not So Magic After All

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the E3 demo is actually pretty fun, they sent it out to all backers on steam during e3, it feels EXACTLY like SOTN which really isn't a surprise as it's not just Iga, it's basicly the entire SOTN team working on it, lol.  Yuka-laylee 's released demo is really fun as well.

In those two though i think the primary difference is it's not just some figurehead making a clone, both have the actual era dev teams almost in full so the games FEEL like a RARE/Konami  game from that era.

where do I kickstart a new good metroid instead of a gothic anime metroid clone with the worst aspects of JRPGs ducktaped on

You could "kickstart" an emulator and play super metroid

I have it on hardware but I want something FRESH with less clunky controls and cool graphics maybe

this might be the answer :
https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=42126.0 (https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=42126.0)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc03CKJQGdQ

you could "kickstart" a gba emulator and play metroid fusion.

play am2r, or play castlevanaia circle of them moon, which is not a part of igavania games and has no anime gfx and igger maps and shit

The first five Castlevanias (NES/SNES) and Castlevania Bloodlines (SEGA Genesis) were my favorites.

The first and the third (NES) especially are like an 8-bit Dark Souls with how deliberate and precise their controls are and how the levels are straight up death traps that require good observation and memory. Yeah they had their quirks and broken bits but they required a level of finesse that few games have had since. The second game (NES) was good but you really needed a guide for it because they really fucked up the dialogue and made it ass backwards which soured the experience quite a bit (there are a lot of nice rom hacks that fix the problem though). Castlevania 2 is like the bridge between the earlier hardcore Castlevanias and the later Metroidvania Castlevanias and I think really could have hit a sweet spot if not for the aforementioned issues.

The fourth and fifth (SNES) games and Bloodlines (Genesis) were good and for the most part capture the spirit of the first and third but they are much more forgiving and don't require nearly as much finesse. For some that is an improvement, but for me I really liked the challenge of the earlier games.

Games like Symphony of the Night, Circle of the Moon, etc. aren't really along the same lines as the first five games and really are more like collect-a-thon Metroids. They're not bad (actually they're pretty awesome), but I still prefer the first 5.

Bloodlines and the rest of the konami/treasure catalogue on the mega drive owns

i dont like old castlevania

where do I kickstart the abolition of the term metroidvania which gives undue glory to sotn—which contributed nothing to the zelda/metroid formula—as well as erases the significance of the old castlevania games.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pedanticnerds/pettycomplaintsaboutvideogames?lang=en

the $100k stretch goal is to pass a bill in congress enshrining the Berlin Interpretation of the word "roguelike" in US law.

came here to say that Mighty Number Nine starring Glenn Beck is one the masterpieces of this generation

Loser might still be his best work though