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[Bood_war]

House Approves Health Overhaul, Sending Landmark Bill to Obama

Personally, I didn't want it to.

I think that it's too goddamn expensive.

What about you guys?

[LazyWaffle]

There goes America.

[Bood_war]

Again.

[Inanimate]

I'll be watching this thread with rapt interest.

[BlueSweatshirt]

I might not be so politics savvy, but isn't health care for everyone a good thing? And don't all nationwide overhauls cost a shitload of money?

[Bree]

Now people can stop complaining about how Obama doesn't do anything, and start complaining about how he should go back to not doing stuff.

I'd offer more useful commentary, but I really don't feel like I have enough knowledge on the subject to have an actual opinion.

[Skofo]

Goddammit, now more sick people are going to treated for their illnesses! This is an outrage!

[Bood_war]

I'd offer more useful commentary, but I really don't feel like I have enough knowledge on the subject to have an actual opinion.

You bring up a good point Theo. Not a lot of the people that I've talked to know what the bill actually entails.

[Melly]

Well, I myself don't know much about it, but shouldn't health care for more people be a good thing, despite the costs? Doesn't it mean that although a lot of money will be spent, it will be spent on the improvement of the people's lifestyle?

I'm curious as to what exactly are the bad things about this, besides the money invested.

[siiseli]

Good for you, America.

[PaleFox]

I dislike the bill, because it isn't socialized near enough -- the plan still requires you to rely upon private companies, albeit regulated ones. A proper health care reform would be pure socialized medical aid, but that likely won't happen soon if ever.

[Skofo]

I'm curious as to what exactly are the bad things about this, besides the money invested.

IT'S SOCIALIST AND KILLS OLD PEOPLE AND FUNDS ABORTIONS AND MAKES PEOPLE LOSE JOBS AND GIVES MORE POWER TO THE EVIL GOVERNMENT!!!1

[Craig Stern]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448#t=1m10s

[Corpus]

If you think this bill is a bad thing, you're not a very good person and need to reevaluate your ideas of worth and what's important in life. PF is right -- it's been toned down massively (in the name of corporate interests), and it's a travesty.

[Bood_war]

I'm not saying that the idea of national healthcare is bad, it's just this bill in particulars.

[Craig Stern]

I think that it's too goddamn expensive.

The Congressional Budget Office has analyzed it and determined that it would actually reduce the federal deficit by over $140 billion. So, the cost isn't really a legitimate concern IMHO.

[Bree]

If you think this bill is a bad thing, you're not a very good person and need to reevaluate your ideas of worth and what's important in life. PF is right -- it's been toned down massively (in the name of corporate interests), and it's a travesty.

Pardon me, but I'm still trying to get this right. The bill was altered to compromise with Republican representatives who didn't want it passed, right? But the Republican party is supposed to be anti-big business as well as anti-big gov't. So the alterations were to make the system less dependent on the gov't and more on the big businesses. Is that right?

[Bood_war]

I think that it's too goddamn expensive.

The Congressional Budget Office has analyzed it and determined that it would actually reduce the federal deficit by over $140 billion. So, the cost isn't really a legitimate concern IMHO.

Well, I stand corrected, as I thought that it was going to cost about a trillion over 10 years.

[Smithy]

I dislike the bill, because it isn't socialized near enough -- the plan still requires you to rely upon private companies, albeit regulated ones. A proper health care reform would be pure socialized medical aid, but that likely won't happen soon if ever.

I kind of feel the same way.

I mean, dayum, the average health insurance CEO rakes in 700 million every five years.
No public figure makes that. None. Way too much money trickles up through the ranks of the people in charge of these things. And when all is said and done, they're just middle men who make profit by denying the product they sell.

And our idea of reform is to mandate that everybody buys from them? Also, a quick google search for the percentage of people in favor of a public option yields results that seem to average seventy five percent. So where the hell is it? Also also, the whole 'hundred dollar per day fine' if your company denies you coverage is a pretty weak crackdown on an industry whose executives wipe their asses with thousand dollar bills. You need an expensive procedure that's going to round out to more than a hundred dollars per day, and they're probably going to take the fine. And this pre-existing conditions idea should have been wiped out immediately, not given four more years to be milked before expiring. But I guess we should take what we can get.

There are some good bits in it.

[Kramlack]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this, at the very least, supposed to just get the ball rolling? I mean, I can understand people being mad that it's not perfect, but I think your expectations are too high.

At least now you have a foundation you can build off of, no?