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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2010, 08:32:33 AM »

There's lots of books that are highly detailed in their depiction of murder, rape or torture. You don't have to be a creep to read these books.

You don't have to be a creep to want to play this game.
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« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2010, 08:52:11 AM »

Thats not really the point.  I doubt that the discussions of those books would revolve around the specific details of how the murder, rape or torture was presented and how cool they are.  Also, I doubt that the graphic depictions of murder, rape or torture would be the main selling point of the book.
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« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2010, 09:13:16 AM »

There's lots of books that are highly detailed in their depiction of murder, rape or torture. You don't have to be a creep to read these books.

You don't have to be a creep to want to play this game.

Your point doesn't quite fit since the book is describing a murder scene or painting you a picture of what happened. Where as this game is allowing you to go and do those things, which is the point of the game, which I assume you are suppose to enjoy.

I personally am on the edge of things like this, I feel that when the media gets involved and overreacts it is just annoying and ridiculous, but in some sense I do agree that people getting excited about things like this and what not is quite creepy.

I guess a good example would be that I enjoy GTA games and what not, but feel Manhunt was just wrong.
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« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2010, 09:42:47 AM »

Who says you are supposed to enjoy this? If someone gets off playing this game it's just as bad as when someone gets aroused while reading or watching a rape scene.
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« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2010, 09:52:14 AM »

In the end, he's making it despite all of the whining over content. So stop.

If you're too much of a BABY to play with the big boys then pretend this topic doesn't exist and go read the bible with some baby deers.
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« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2010, 10:01:40 AM »

Is there any chance of having all this drama in a separate thread to the one discussing the game itself? (SKRL Discussion, f.e.?)

People are more than welcome to their opinions, but it'd be nice to have a civilised thread in which to discuss the game itself and the mechanics without being battered into submission by the moral and ethical drama-fest.
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« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2010, 10:07:16 AM »

In the end, he's making it despite all of the whining over content. So stop.

If you're too much of a BABY to play with the big boys then pretend this topic doesn't exist and go read the bible with some baby deers.

Way to completely miss the point.
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« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2010, 10:18:55 AM »

In the end, he's making it despite all of the whining over content. So stop.

If you're too much of a BABY to play with the big boys then pretend this topic doesn't exist and go read the bible with some baby deers.

Way to completely miss the point.
The point being "I wouldn't want to play this game and other people shouldn't as well because my morals = everyone else's morals"?


Actually why is any of this even being argued? Didn't the creator of the topic say he didn't want this happening and that this topic should be about the game?
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« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2010, 10:21:14 AM »

I do hope that this game will explore the psychological side of killing and have a mature exploration of the subject.  Otherwise the game is nothing more than murder/torture porn.  It's also unsettling that some seem to think that being a mature human means that you are unaffected by content about serial killing.
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« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2010, 10:29:33 AM »

I do hope that this game will explore the psychological side of killing and have a mature exploration of the subject.  Otherwise the game is nothing more than murder/torture porn.  It's also unsettling that some seem to think that being a mature human means that you are unaffected by content about serial killing.

This is the point.


The problem I have is not with the game.  The problem I have is with the discussion of a game about murder being focused almost entirely on the various gameplay mechanics with which the player is able to murder.
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« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2010, 10:33:13 AM »

Being a mature human being doesn't mean that you're unaffected by such content; it means that you can restrain yourself from complaining about it.

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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2010, 10:36:07 AM »

I do hope that this game will explore the psychological side of killing and have a mature exploration of the subject.  Otherwise the game is nothing more than murder/torture porn.  It's also unsettling that some seem to think that being a mature human means that you are unaffected by content about serial killing.

Psychological dysfunction is a core-mechanic and it sounds like the game will play out in a way that makes serial/spree murder an ultimately unsustainable balancing act.

The author has posted that he's aiming to have the police build a profile from psychological and forensic clues which make them more effective as @ commits more crimes. Also that @ can't maintain a "normal" life as they become progressively less stable the longer they try to go without killing. It sounds like an all-consuming obsession that will ultimately, inevitably, lead to capture/self-destruction.
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« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2010, 10:37:47 AM »

Readin through the thread again I can see how Paint by Number's posts can be seen as overly enthusiastic, but in general I feel the thread has been quite reasonable.
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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2010, 10:44:05 AM »

Being a mature human being doesn't mean that you're unaffected by such content; it means that you can restrain yourself from complaining about it.

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I also don't think that passivity and silence is an attribute of maturity either.  The subject seems important enough to discuss to me but maybe others are happy to mindlessly pound away on their keyboard playing any game without any thought or contemplation on it's effect,meaning,etc on ourselves or society.  Lots of people eat MccDonalds and see no problem with it but there are also people saying "hey, maybe this food isn't so good for us to be eating".  Not saying that that IS the case but it possibly could be.
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« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2010, 10:48:20 AM »

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Readin through the thread again I can see how Paint by Number's posts can be seen as overly enthusiastic, but in general I feel the thread has been quite reasonable.

I'm sorry, man. I really don't like the fact that multiple people have felt the need to - instead of actually discussing interesting parts of the game - say pretty much the exact same thing, that they are so shocked anyone could like this game, and don't you guys know how creepy you sound?!

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I also don't think that passivity and silence is an attribute of maturity either.  The subject seems important enough to discuss to me but maybe others are happy to mindlessly pound away on their keyboard playing any game without any thought or contemplation on it's effect,meaning,etc on ourselves or society.  Lots of people eat MccDonalds and see no problem with it but there are also people saying "hey, maybe this food isn't so good for us to be eating".  Not saying that that IS the case but it possibly could be.

The old "mindless sheep" argument, huh? Nice. Okay, we can go on about morality. Who cares about games when we could be chatting about ethics? What would you consider a proper element of maturity?
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« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2010, 10:53:36 AM »

How are the nitty gritty details the interesting part?  The only reason this game is interesting is because it lets you play as a serial killer and this is only interesting because of the moral and ethical issues of murder.  Chatting about the ethics of games and how they relate to society is still chatting about games.
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« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2010, 10:57:50 AM »

The old "mindless sheep" argument, huh? Nice. Okay, we can go on about morality. Who cares about games when we could be chatting about ethics? What would you consider a proper element of maturity?

I'd rather you just say "yeah,I can see how some people could be concerned with an ethical dilemma presented by this game but I'd rather not talk about that Id rather just talk about the gameplay" or something. Instead of people saying that anyone who is interested in the discussion are just babies and unjustified in their concern.  Although I can see how this discussion could be annoying for someone who wants to talk about the gameplay.  Maybe a different thread would be more appropriate for the conversation.
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« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2010, 11:01:48 AM »

I said that a while ago. In fact, I've been whining at everyone to take the morality discussion elsewhere since the first post; apparently that wasn't enough.

GET YOUR OWN THREAD! PLEASE!

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« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2010, 11:03:08 AM »

Being completely earnest, I would like to hear why Paint by Numbers or anyone else who is very interested in the "gameplay not morality" aspect of the game why they are so excited about this game.  I mean, why does a game about being Serial Killer appeal to you so much, if you're not interested in any moral or ethical questions?  Maybe there should be a separate thread, but I genuinely want to know.
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« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2010, 11:07:05 AM »

Being completely earnest, I would like to hear why Paint by Numbers or anyone else who is very interested in the "gameplay not morality" aspect of the game why they are so excited about this game.  I mean, why does a game about being Serial Killer appeal to you so much, if you're not interested in any moral or ethical questions?  Maybe there should be a separate thread, but I genuinely want to know.
  • Sounds like it will have a ton of replayability, I look forward to creating a bunch of different back stories for a bunch of different serial killers and playing their killing sprees out.
  • Something about being the sadistic player in a world of NPCs who I can fuck with appeals to some darker side of me. I loved the level in Fallout 3 where I got to be the Pint Sized Slasher
  • I like roguelikes, this is a roguelike
  • I like open ended, free roaming games with character creation and customization
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