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[oewarj]

Edit: to anyone who reads it -- notice the all-too-familiar cries of "you defend icy, ergo you are icy". It's nothing new, P Diddy just happens to be taking it to new levels of in(s)anity.

Yeah, this has to be the most delusional level of "you are icy" I have ever seen.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை (Paul Eres)]

Another thing that factors into this discussion (and the whole "prog" thing) is what Nietzsche calls the "grand style". This is quite a difficult concept to grasp, but a very useful one, and it extends to everything. Classical music, for example, though the most complex music yet made, is not "grand style". Nietzsche was puzzled why all the other arts had a grand style, whereas music, at least in his time, did not. I believe that heavy metal is the musical grand style that Nietzsche was looking for -- and will make the case for it later on in my writings (probably in the philosphical book).

More sad attempts to justify his own terrible taste in pretty much everything.

i believe nietzshe was actually referring to wagner there -- who wasn't considered 'classical' back then, but contemporary (wagner and nietzshe were friends early on, and nietzshe praised wagner's music in his early works, although later neitzshe hated wagner and wrote about how his music sucks).

[s0]

have you see her interview of me on fake karl?

http://www.fakekarl.com/2008/11/interview-with-poor-person.html

I have seen it, that's why I asked you.  

i believe nietzshe was actually referring to wagner there -- who wasn't considered 'classical' back then, but contemporary (wagner and nietzshe were friends early on, and nietzshe praised wagner's music in his early works, although later neitzshe hated wagner and wrote about how his music sucks).

I remember reading that the fallout between Nietzsche and Wagner was due to Nietzsche's disapproval of Wagner's antisemitism. The two knew each other and were personal friends as well.

Also, Wagner most definitely had the "grand style" Nietzsche was talking about, as did other romantic-era composers like Grieg, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky etc. but Wagner was arguably the "grandest".

[paste]

(if you guys can't tell who this is, then I feel sorry for you)

In the end, it turns out Icycalm was actually dead the whole time.

Also, the calls were coming from inside the house.

[P Diddy]

http://forum.insomnia.ac/viewtopic.php?t=3415&start=25

And "milk" is probably "Gardenia" from this thread:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28676

lol, so the only one who gets it right in the end is icycalm. "Quelle surprise".

Damn, I forgot about that thread. I'll bet it's more than slightly embarrassing to read my posts there now.

Edit: to anyone who reads it -- notice the all-too-familiar cries of "you defend icy, ergo you are icy". It's nothing new, P Diddy just happens to be taking it to new levels of in(s)anity.

Don't take me for an idiot.  You're known for creating many sockpuppets on many forums.  Gardenia = Icycalm = milk = guitar_mobster is only the tip of the iceberg.

and the whole "you defend icy, ergo you are icy" argument is stupid, those other guys are very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very different.

And if you can't see the relation between all your personas, then that says a lot.

Edit: to anyone who reads it -- notice the all-too-familiar cries of "you defend icy, ergo you are icy". It's nothing new, P Diddy just happens to be taking it to new levels of in(s)anity.

Yeah, this has to be the most delusional level of "you are icy" I have ever seen.

Delusional is someone who is copying Icycalm verbatim, right down to the "- -" and the "Enough." and the "Quelle surprise." and way way more.

And when someone calls this guy out on it, he never gets the normal reply of "oh wow you're right I do sound like him".  Don't you think it's crazy to be so much of a perfect copy.  Who the fuck copies Icycalm verbatim in such a way? Common man, doudle dash??? even that?  And who the fuck cares about Chris Kohler's issues with women?  Who the fuck glorifies Icycalm to such a crazy level like that???  And the many more coincidences...

Look, I demonstrated why I think what I think, it stands on its own. 

And there's way more I can say on the subject which can blow people's minds.  But I won't say it because people just won't believe me.  And it has nothing to do with the milk/Icycalm one-flesh relationship.

[milk]

In other news, Jews did 9/11.

[P Diddy]

sorry but the evidence is just too good.

[DavidCaruso]

Jesus fucking christ P Diddy.

Hey milk, would you mind making a post with that Shmups account, but before doing so (a few seconds before would be preferable) quote the exact post you're going to make in this topic? I think it's the only way to convince P Diddy that there aren't any One True Icycalms Among Us.

[P Diddy]

Jesus fucking christ P Diddy.

Hey milk, would you mind making a post with that Shmups account, but before doing so (a few seconds before would be preferable) quote the exact post you're going to make in this topic? I think it's the only way to convince P Diddy that there aren't any One True Icycalms Among Us.

You idiot!!!  Gardenia is Icycalm you stupid stupid chimp.  This is all he does, he doesn't have a life outside of the internet.

[milk]

k

"lol", of course

[Dragonmaw]

1. Children, left to their own devices, will make themselves miserable.
2. This is not a trait that is cured with age, but proper guidance.
3. Parents/teachers/critics/philosophers provide that guidance.
4. Children often resist this kicking and screaming.

(Sorry for snipping the other stuff, but it's all directed at PF, so it's not really relevant)

I actually disagree with this, namely #2.

"Left to their own devices, children (people) will make themselves miserable," is a fairly accurate point. As you mentioned, it's like a kid going into a sweets shop and stuffing themselves until they get sick. This point can apply to lots of things too. You get into a relationship that is bad for you, for example. Or you do something physically stupid, like jumping off of the roof of a house.

The thing is that there are methods besides guidance for children to learn. Guidance is primarily a preventative measure. When your parents tell you "don't eat all that candy all at once or you will get sick," they are attempting to prevent you from making yourself miserable. Subsequently, when you eat all of the candy and get sick, you make yourself miserable. The key here is that you can learn as much from experience as you can from guidance.

Let's assume that the kid has parents that don't offer guidance as to whether or not he should eat candy until he gets sick. Naturally, as the kid has no idea what the outcome will be (no guidance), he eats candy until he is sick. No surprise there. However, if he's a smart kid, he'll realize when he gets sick that eating all that candy did it to him. If he's not so smart, he'll do it a few more times before realizing it. People are not so idiotic that they can't recognize a simple (repeated) cause and effect. This also doesn't cover the kid making a risk/reward decision (Eating all this delicious candy now makes me feel great now, but may make me awful later) in which they are aware of the outcome and base their decisions around it.

So, in short, there are actually two ways for people to learn in regards to negative consequences: experience or guidance (or both).

As people can learn using experience, this invalidates your third and fourth points a bit (although not entirely, as they generally do apply to those that have not experienced yet), as it eliminates the monopoly of "guidance" that authority figures have on those considered inferior or lesser in knowledge or "taste." If I learn via hurting myself that I shouldn't jump off the roof, then I don't really need a parent to tell me "don't jump off that there roof now, don't'cha know." Likewise, I can learn my taste (or what taste is "superior to me") by playing or experiencing media rather than having somebody inform me what is good or not.

This is, of course, assuming that philosophy and taste in media is the equivalent of things such as biological functions or pain, which they are very much not. So the whole exercise is flawed from the very beginning. There's two separate refutations here: people can learn via experience rather than guidance, and the analogy is inaccurate as media (books, movies, games, paintings, sculptures, etc) do not cause physical harm to the person experiencing them.

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As for the rest

WHO GIVES A FUCK IF MILK IS ICYCALM? IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING HE HAS SAID IN THIS THREAD. GIVE IT A FUCKING REST

[milk]

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32625&p=663336

You idiot!!!  Gardenia is Icycalm you stupid stupid chimp.  This is all he does, he doesn't have a life outside of the internet.

This is silly, by the way. My posts in that shmups thread are nothing like icycalm beyond superficial syntactic similarities -- for a start, most of what I wrote was, in hindsight, fucking dumb, lol. Very juvenile.

[P Diddy]

If it was so easy for some of you to believe that guitar_mobster was Icycalm, then why is it so hard to see that he does it more often then not?

Is Icycalm really the standard of nobility that he would never be so guiltless?  The man committed fraud, if he can do that, he can do what I suspect.




@Icycalm

you created many accounts on shmups

[DavidCaruso]

You idiot!!!  Gardenia is Icycalm you stupid stupid chimp.  This is all he does, he doesn't have a life outside of the internet.

I'd imagine it would take superhuman dedication (and a screwed up sleep schedule) to "swim two and a half kilometers a day, play basketball 3-6 hours a week, and surf, bike and snowboard," and then come home and maintain several different personas across a multitude of forums (all the while making sure to only post within that persona's corresponding timezone).

But that's just me!

(also I never believed guitar_mobster was icycalm, at best he was a sycophant)

EDIT: Sorry Dragonmaw, yeah I probably shouldn't be responding to P Diddy at all lmao.

[P Diddy]

basketball 3-6 hours a week, and surf, bike and snowboard,

How the fuck would you even guess what he's doing when he's not posting.

yeah I probably shouldn't be responding to P Diddy at all lmao.

Exactly, if you want me to go away, stop responding to me.

[milk]

How the fuck would you even guess what he's doing when he's not posting.

Allow me to help you out here by linking to my very own post from my very own account on my very own forum.

Here you are, friend.

http://forum.insomnia.ac/viewtopic.php?p=12715#12715

OMG HOW DID HE DO THT SOF FAST WEN ROMG HOWBUT THTSZ NOT NORMAL THATSAS CARAZY HOW COUD HE KNOW ALSO MARHTA STREWART IS ILLUMINATI

[PleasingFungus]

Wow, PleasingFungus, why don't you be a little more condescending while you're putting words in my mouth and missing the point besides.  I mean, thanks for explaining to me why age of majority laws exist, as if I am an alien with no concept of your Earth practices.  That really helped.  Sheesh.

Haha! I was replying to "What I see as arrogance is the belief that all people suddenly become equal upon reaching a certain age", which pretty much seemed to refer to age of majority laws. Didn't mean to condescend!

But, let me try again:

1. Children, left to their own devices, will make themselves miserable.
2. This is not a trait that is cured with age, but proper guidance.
3. Parents/teachers/critics/philosophers provide that guidance.
4. Children often resist this kicking and screaming.

Dragonmaw already provided a very good response to this - essentially, 'parental' guidance or direct experience teaches 'children' not to make themselves miserable. I'd also add that of the two, direct experience is more important - no matter how much you read about, say, shmups, you'll never really understand them until you actually play them. Guidance can help you learn from direct experience - providing a conceptual framework for your experiences to fit into, that kind of thing - but it can't act as a substitute. So, the role of the parent / critic is helpful, but ultimately secondary.

Hopefully you won't take this as condescending? It's not meant to be. I suspect it's very easy to sound condescending once you start extended metaphors about children, though...

OMG HOW DID HE DO THT SOF FAST WEN ROMG HOWBUT THTSZ NOT NORMAL THATSAS CARAZY HOW COUD HE KNOW ALSO MARHTA STREWART IS ILLUMINATI

old

everyone knows that

[P Diddy]

How the fuck would you even guess what he's doing when he's not posting.

http://forum.insomnia.ac/viewtopic.php?p=12715#12715

Just because Icycalm says he does all those things, it doesn't mean he actually does all that no matter what.  We have a 300 page thread arguing against his ideas.  I think it's easy to understand why he would be concerned with other things.

[Incision]

@Dragonmaw, PleasingFungus

This is just getting embarrassing.  You guys need to reread my post, then look at your responses and see if you're actually refuting anything I said.  You are hallucinating rigid, absolute statements and then feeling clever when you think of exceptions that "disprove" them.   My statements 1-4 are obviously not intended to comprehensively cover all the nuances of human experience, but are accurate regardless.

[Dragonmaw]

Simply stating "No, I'm not wrong, you just failed to understand" is not an acceptable refutation. It's the tactic of a child, or someone who can't actually attempt to address the other's points. While PF may have qualms against being condescending or appearing the douchebag, I do not.

If you have no intention of actually addressing the fundamental problems with your generalizations (and yes, there are fundamental problems), then why are you even attempting to discuss things? Just post and leave.

I realize that your post is not a rigid statement. It's still incorrect, both from the perspective of a false analogy (taste in media is not remotely the same as physically hurting yourself) and from the perspective of incorrect generalizations. If you want to further clarify your points in an attempt to address your incredible amount of wrongness (wrongitude, wrongosity), then I suggest you do so. Or explain how we are wrong. If you are simply going to tell us that we don't understand (the tactic of an imbecile) and then fail to explain why, then you can fuck right off into a dying star. Spin through the void of space until your bloated, decrepit body slams into a nuclear furnace.