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[s0]

Thing is, no one outside of a comparably small group of nerds even knows about "incidents" like this. I'm pretty sure the average person who buys EA games doesn't know or care about their reputation with a bunch of "hardcore" gamers.

[JackieJay]

But I guess EA doesn't really care much about their image.  Their marketing kinda tells the whole story.  

With all due respect sir, but if EA got this big was because they know a thing or two about PR and marketing. I can't really imagine you or anyone else here giving EA PR or marketing lessons.

too lazy to look up right name of logical fallacy

That's not really a logical fallacy aristotle, that's the obvious truth. Unless you think the average forum goer is a better marketing and PR expert than any of the ones EA has ?

Thing is, no one outside of a comparably small group of nerds even knows about "incidents" like this. I'm pretty sure the average person who buys EA games doesn't know or care about their reputation with a bunch of "hardcore" gamers.

This and the fact that it's one of the biggest if not biggest corporation in gaming, so even if they donated half their profits to charity every year they would get a lot of backlash from the so called hardcore gamers for whatever reason. I'm pretty sure that if instead of EA it was introversion for example doing something like this, no one would really care.
When a big company everyone knows does something like this it's immediately blown out of proportion and everyone tries really hard to make said company to look like a bunch of pedos who were just caught in the act.
I'm also confident that, deep down, half of those would give their right arm to do John Riccitiello a rimjob.

[mcc]

But I guess EA doesn't really care much about their image.  Their marketing kinda tells the whole story.  

With all due respect sir, but if EA got this big was because they know a thing or two about PR and marketing.

Doesn't follow. There are several possible paths to business success.

[Blademasterbobo]

hmmm... I've learned three things from reading this thread: Bioware sold out to EA, EA will ban gam accounts over forum bullshit until there's backlash, and JackieJay is a moron. How educational!

[JackieJay]

But I guess EA doesn't really care much about their image.  Their marketing kinda tells the whole story.  

With all due respect sir, but if EA got this big was because they know a thing or two about PR and marketing.

Doesn't follow. There are several possible paths to business success.

Success is subjective, but I think it's impossible for a company to get as big as EA is today without knowing what people want and how to market it. Coincidentally, that's what EA does best.
Anyway, they aren't stupid, when you have so much money it would be kind of dumb not to hire some good marketing and PR experts, I think.

[iffi]

Thing is, no one outside of a comparably small group of nerds even knows about "incidents" like this. I'm pretty sure the average person who buys EA games doesn't know or care about their reputation with a bunch of "hardcore" gamers.

This. As long as EA can successfully target the majority with their their PR and marketing campaigns, it doesn't need to spend most of its PR resources on the hardcore audience that will probably find something to get angry at no matter what EA does.

That said, getting banned from a game (especially a single-player game) due to poor conduct on a forum sounds a bit extreme to me.

[moi]

EA has been in the market for so long, that trying to analyze their success is irrelevant.
At the begining they were indie little guys with a charismatic leader. Now they are more a ubisoft-like.

[Dragonmaw]

hmmm... I've learned three things from reading this thread: Bioware sold out to EA, EA will ban gam accounts over forum bullshit until there's backlash, and JackieJay is a moron. How educational!

I thought that was plainly obvious from his postings in other threads. JackieJay is an absolute imbecile.

From my understanding, the reason why the guy on BioWare forums was banned is because "Report Post" leads to EA Community, not BioWare Community. So while getting banned from the forums for making a tasteless post wouldn't affect his game account, getting banned by a separate department (why the fuck Report Post leads to said department) that responded to a "Report Post" call will.

If anything, it seems like needlessly crossed wires which they have hopefully fixed. Still, fucking stupid of them.

[JackieJay]

EA has been in the market for so long, that trying to analyze their success is irrelevant.
At the begining they were indie little guys with a charismatic leader. Now they are more a ubisoft-like.

Actually that's not entirely true. The company was founded after trip hawkins found an investor who injected huge amounts of money and they made millions in their first year, which was unusual at the time.
But even if they started small, with the huge investments they made in most of their games, if they didn't know they were going to sell they would be bankrupt long ago.
Marketing and even PR always played a huge role in their continuous success, for instance trip hawkins was director of product marketing at apple before he left and created EA.

I thought that was plainly obvious from his postings in other threads. JackieJay is an absolute imbecile.

Hum kind of uncalled for, if you disagree with me just say it and why. Calling me names doesn't really mean you're right and I'm wrong.

[Dragonmaw]

Who cares? I sure don't.

[JackieJay]

Then why call me an absolute imbecile out of the blue ?

[Dacke]

Next lesson of the thread:
Blademasterbobo & Dragonmaw can't behave in the face of disagreement.

To me, it would seem that EA is skilled in using PR to manipulate the large masses. But they suffer from big-evil-company syndrome, making them unable to come across as friendly when you address them directly. Knowing how to do successful ad campaigns and knowing how to treat people nicely are two completely different things.

[Dragonmaw]

No, see, you're assuming I disagree with JackieJay. I'm not calling him an idiot because I disagree with him in this thread (I don't even know what it's about, really, other than haranguing on EA and BioWare). I'm calling him an idiot because his post history indicates that he is an idiot. I was not agreeing with BlademasterBobo on his other points, I was saying he should expect nonsense from JackieJay at this point.

That being said, going back and looking at JackieJay's post (after you and JackieJay put words in my mouth that were never remotely there), yeah, it's pretty dumb. "They are big and therefore know what they are doing!" is a massively idiotic and fallacious thing to say. It is "too big to fail" in a very literal sense; EA is a large company, therefore it does not do wrong. HURRRRRRRRRRR. Stupid.

(Basically I don't know what you guys are arguing about. BioWare and EA made a shit mistake and are dumb for it. Let's all laugh at how dumb they were. Ha!)

[Blademasterbobo]

Next lesson of the thread:
Blademasterbobo & Dragonmaw can't behave in the face of disagreement.

That's not really a logical fallacy aristotle, that's the obvious truth.

Yeah, arguing with someone who would say this is definitely going to have results. It's pointless arguing with people who say things that are that stupid, so I'll just call him an idiot and move on. (I could just ignore him, but that's no fun. The world must know that he's an idiot!)

[JackieJay]

No, see, you're assuming I disagree with JackieJay. I'm not calling him an idiot because I disagree with him in this thread (I don't even know what it's about, really, other than haranguing on EA and BioWare). I'm calling him an idiot because his post history indicates that he is an idiot. I was not agreeing with BlademasterBobo on his other points, I was saying he should expect nonsense from JackieJay at this point.

No need to get all ad hominem, we got it, you're pissed because of something I said, probably the nicalis thread from like a year ago. Get over it, life moves on.

That being said, going back and looking at JackieJay's post (after you and JackieJay put words in my mouth that were never remotely there), yeah, it's pretty dumb. "They are big and therefore know what they are doing!" is a massively idiotic and fallacious thing to say. It is "too big to fail" in a very literal sense; EA is a large company, therefore it does not do wrong. HURRRRRRRRRRR. Stupid.

So EA got huge, and is still at the very top all these years by mere luck ?
If what I said was dumb, what you just said was simply retarded.
If using your brain is asking too much then at least look up EA's history. It's no coincidence their first employee and founder were marketing experts, not designers, programmers or artists like one could assume.
If you'd rather believe that marketing had nothing to do with their success then well, I don't even know what to say.

Yeah, arguing with someone who would say this is definitely going to have results. It's pointless arguing with people who say things that are that stupid, so I'll just call him an idiot and move on. (I could just ignore him, but that's no fun. The world must know that he's an idiot!)

Sometimes by calling someone idiot you're making yourself looking like a idiot yourself, so perhaps it would have been a good idea to ignore me.
If you disagree just say it and why. "Moron" is not a good argument, sorry.

[ஒழுக்கின்மை (Paul Eres)]

Success is subjective, but I think it's impossible for a company to get as big as EA is today without knowing what people want and how to market it. Coincidentally, that's what EA does best.
Anyway, they aren't stupid, when you have so much money it would be kind of dumb not to hire some good marketing and PR experts, I think.

this isn't true: it's gotten big over the course of about 30 years. most of its size increase took place in the 80s and 90s, and it's just coasted on its wealth since then. it could very well be that the people who knew what they were doing have long since left the company (that's my impression of EA anyway).

once a company is of sufficient size and wealth, it can maintain its power just through that size and wealth, not through being better than its competitors at anything in particular. another well-known example of this is microsoft: IE is not better than firefox or google chrome (most web designers and experienced internet users consider it inferior) but it still has market dominance because of microsoft's size and wealth.

[Dragonmaw]

JackieJay

you are literally 401098172095810958 dums

[s0]

another well-known example of this is microsoft: IE is not better than firefox or google chrome (most web designers and experienced internet users consider it inferior) but it still has market dominance because of microsoft's size and wealth.

Yeah, Microsoft is the standard for home computer sofware and is pretty much perpetuating itself through that. Even Steve Ballmer has admitted that Microsoft products are always a couple years "behind" in terms of innovation, which wouldn't be viable if they weren't in the position they're in.

Compare that to EA, particularly their sports games. It's the same concept.

[eva]

http://www.destructoid.com/bioware-dragon-age-ii-does-not-use-securom-196325.phtml

BioWare has responded to reports that Electronic Arts smuggled SecuROM onto retail PC discs of Dragon Age II, denying the presence of the notorious DRM. According to the studio, the SecuROM alarm bells sounded due to a another Sony-branded DRM measure, Release Control.
 
"The confusion stems from the use of Release Control which is also made by Sony," states BioWare. "Release Control was employed to protect the game against usage prior to its release date. These are two different technologies with different purposes. Release Control in no way affects users’ rights to access after launch, and its executable automatically deletes itself once the Release Control process is finished."

@ securom controversy

[LemonScented]

BioWare has responded to reports that Electronic Arts smuggled SecuROM onto retail PC discs of Dragon Age II, denying the presence of the notorious DRM. According to the studio, the SecuROM alarm bells sounded due to a another Sony-branded DRM measure, Release Control.

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