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TIGSource ForumsPlayerGamesPoll : Are ero games sexy?
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Question: Are ero games sexy?
Yes - 21 (48.8%)
No - 22 (51.2%)
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2011, 03:06:46 PM »

Though Fire Emblem got very close omg
Errr... care to elaborate?  Concerned
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2011, 03:09:26 PM »


Where are the 'Shut up and do the dishes' and the 'Zip your lip and get back in the kitchen' options?
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2011, 03:19:46 PM »

What about talk about your day?

you guys are misogynist PIGS
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2011, 03:26:04 PM »

ero game don't have to be degrading
look like only the degrading one attract attention
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2011, 04:12:41 PM »

Also my only exposure to ero games are these series of SomethingAwful articles, so with that in mind I'd say no they're not sexy just hilarious.

that's also my main exposure to them; those articles are great, they're the best thing to come out of something awful

i do think good ero games are theoretically possible, but the attempts so far have not been very good. the "sexiest" game i've played is probably catherine, but it's not even rated A/O, just M

the best "A/O" rated game i've played is probably MASQ: http://www.indiegames.com/2007/06/masq.html

i think a big problem with these types of games is that the majority of them are japanese, and japanese pornography is very different from western pornography, and because of those differing tastes most westerners find such games strange rather than compelling
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2011, 04:15:05 PM »

If something awful is the only exposition you had no wonder, But to make a rebuttal I need to dig very deep in archive and met again some old friend who can talk about the nuance. I just can't right now
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2011, 07:24:54 PM »

There are ero games that actually have amazing plots with the erotic stuff just thrown in for who knows why (possibly just added in to generate sales, or for those who are looking for that kinda thing?).

They sometimes rerelease these games without the porn scenes and even release them on consoles or as spinoffs such as fighting games.

I actually scoffed at the idea of playing any game like this before but someone introduced me to VNDB and I've found some really good games that are so good that the porn stuff just seems silly or tacked on and utterly optional.

Also if you played the Trilby (Chzo Mythos) games, the behind the scenes info actually reveals that it was inspired by an ero game. So not all of them are bad, well, if you look past the tentacle rape or whatever the hell, anyway.
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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2011, 08:36:45 PM »

I know that story became so important and well craft that there was a decisive point where the quality of graphics became less important that the quality of writing ... in ero games. Usually the sex scene are treat with a great deal of nuance and have importance in the plot, character arc and the story, MORE than half the audience is female in the imported translated jap ero who also happen to be a big drive in the fan VN community. This focus on story had led to whole subgenre about "crying ero" (don't remember the right term) who have many subgenre with one dealing with borderline psychological trauma. That is their success come from the psychological twist and fantasy of the character and the player. As the sex scene actually reduce the market, they are not there for selling. Some of them sell way better without. Fate stay knight is one of them.



Another famous eroge cleaned from "ero" is Tsuki hime

The main difference with western ero in broad strokes, is that western ero reduce sex to either "physical mindless fun" XOR "tragic body pulsion", separating sex and romance as much as possible.

TO be frank, they share the psychological and sensual involvement of woman literature (without the setting and plot tropes) and mix it with teenage male and female fantasy for most of them (well typical manga setting).



But less in your face since sex or romance, while important, might take a back sit regarding other theme, it's just a normal thing occurring between characters.

Also I forget, quality voice acting was also a HUGE deal.

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It also happen that a lot of author are female, that might help
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2011, 01:54:24 AM »

i hate knowing this but tsukihime isnt really a ero game

its NOT A GAME >8 | *elitist nerd* its just a visual novel aka a book with pictures
there are some choices I guess
they're not game-y choices

and as far as i know the point isnt sex, its a ridiculous story about how nvrqnsr is the coolest character
there are sex scenes but its like a sex scene in a action movie

it doesnt make it a sex thing
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2011, 05:18:47 AM »

This focus on story had led to whole subgenre about "crying ero" (don't remember the right term)
Nakige, meaning crying game.

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As the sex scene actually reduce the market, they are not there for selling.
I don't think that's quite true.

You can divide the market into people who'd rather have sex scenes and the people who are put off by them. The latter is more people, yeah, but they tend to buy fewer games, less variety, have higher expectations for quality, prefer familiar IP, mostly want games on console, etc. so it's riskier to target them.

A game can keep risk lower by being released as an eroge on PC, then later as a console game with cuts. (To Heart 2 went the other way: the console release was followed by the "X-Rated" PC version which probably even got extra sales from people buying both versions)

Another thing is that for eroge, being able to have explicit sex scenes after hours of building up a character is like a USP that gives them a raison d'etre compared to other otaku mediums. Anime and manga can't do that: if they have those scenes at all, basically every episode or chapter gets dominated by being an excuse for that.

(the other advantage bishoujo games, otome games, etc. have compared to anime, manga and light novels with similar appeal is that the interaction allows the story to branch and focus on a particular character, usually so the perspective character can form a relationship with that character. That avoids various problems common in the other mediums, like harem series where the protagonist has managed to attract many characters, but no one makes any real progress until the series has to end)

But I also don't think it's entirely a sales motivated thing. The developers of these games are generally making games according to their own tastes and they're likely to be fans of eroge.

i hate knowing this but tsukihime isnt really a ero game

its NOT A GAME >8 | *elitist nerd* its just a visual novel aka a book with pictures
there are some choices I guess
they're not game-y choices

and as far as i know the point isnt sex, its a ridiculous story about how nvrqnsr is the coolest character
there are sex scenes but its like a sex scene in a action movie

it doesnt make it a sex thing
The Japanese count visual novels as a type of game. Actually most of what we call visual novels in English, aren't under Japanese terminology: visual novels have text that can cover the whole screen (Tsukihime and F/SN are like that), the ones with the text in a box at the bottom are less specifically adventure games (AVG), but that's a difference in presentation (which allows for a different writing style) rather than interactivity.

But, yeah, it's true Tsukihime isn't a sex thing.

December When There Is No Angel is the only good game I know of where sex is central to the story, but I'm not knowledgeable, so I assume there are others. I don't think many people would find it a sexy game though. Probably only otaku with quite a dark mindset would be able to enjoy it...
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2011, 05:41:07 AM »

they can call it a game if they want but if there is no win or lose and there is only different possibilities to explore, in a way you could call that a game but since the extent of the gameplay is occasional textual choice selections and READING A LOT OF TEXT i hesitate to call it a game

a whole culture can call me poultry but i will still be the monster king, and there is no way i can pwn noobs playing tsuki hime

yes i know it has a fighting game

but im not going to win against anyone in a visual novel
not even myself.............
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2011, 02:17:32 PM »

Alright, are we actually doing this?  Oooookaaaaay...  All links are obviously not safe for work, so please take care when delving.

Two ero games to note that have seen a rise to prominence in the Western world are Corruption of Champions and Felixible Survival.  Both of which are unquestionably games and are unquestionably, well, ero.  They are rather similar in that they deal heavily with the concept of the player being a very modular entity that can be changed for the sake of catering to the sake of the players individual fetishes.  It's a pretty ingenious way of creating a game that would entice a larger audience, because there literally is something for everyone, provided of course you are a yourself are at a level of sexual deviance where you will enjoy the rather extreme fetishes that are explored here.  Arguably, these are the two most popular western indie ero games at the time that are more than a simply flash menu interface of a dynamic scene or a visual novel setting.

Violated Heroine and Monster Girl Quest are doujin games that may also qualify as game with erotic elements than eroticism with game elements.  But, to be honest, I feel dirty typing all this...

I can scrub all I want, but I'll never be clean...
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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2011, 11:28:50 AM »

Closing the poll and joke thread. With a total of 21 yay's and 22 nay's, TIGs has decided that Ero games are indeed, not sexy.
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