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[mikejkelley]

Unity3d is currently running a contest; "Unity Technologies is running a contest to see who can design the best Unity-based Flash platform game or interactive content. We'll be giving away 10 amazing prizes with a total value of $51,497 USD;"

http://unity3d.com/unity/preview/contest

I'm supplying the script (narrative), concept, characters, art and animation, you supply the code! Here's some of what I have so far;






The feedback thus far has been good;

"mikejkelley looks really sharp! Haven't seen a lot of isometric stuff around lately, glad you're fixing that! " - Eldboll

"nice  is this for the 2012 compo? " Tor@noko

"I love that so much. " - peanutbuttershoes

"The animation, it is so smooth....  " - RCIX

"I am amazed at your art. I just sat here a while staring at the girl spinkicking." - Sensenman

"Ok now that is terrific. " - J. R. Hill

"It looks like Ed 209 humped a Beetle.. Veeery nice. " - RuffalowMan

"Lovely. I'm a big fan of your hard surface stuff. Now I need to get back to work on my own cityscape. :O " - Ouren

"Looking mightly swell mike.  " - caiys

"that vw beetle mech is awesome!!" - hermesdavidms

"I really like it how it is! " - Dimfist

"I am sold on the title " - Rob Macko

"The artwork looks very catchy. I like it!" - bjadams

"This looks absurd and I love it! " - mikah

"tracking ^^ " - Mardigann

If you think you're capable of contest-winning code, pm me with a resume. The game mechanics are being protected as a trade secret and will require you signing an NDA. Hope to hear from some reliable, talented ppl soon!

[Leroy Binks]

Did you try this at FGL? They have a forum just for the Unity Flash pairing. 

[moi]

do these graphics come from model libraries?

[mikejkelley]

Thanks Leroy, I wasn't even aware of FGL until you mentioned it, I'll post there.

Moi, you've already asked me that in Today I Created. The answer was no. You're really working overtime to try and undermind my creations, why is that? Wait, in the cityscape I think the subway entrance and railings are modified from some freebies at turbosquid if that makes you feel better about yourself, lol.

I think they had a free m134 there as well, but I did mine from scratch out of sheer masochism.

[Miguelito]

It's a legitimate question, especially considering this particular situation. No harm done in making sure.

That said, good luck!


EDIT: But come on, "(if we win)" is an extremely unsafe proposition, and no different than any of the royalty/profit split/might-come-out-some-day ventures usually reserved for Collaborations and Unpaid. I find it difficult to consider this paid work, unless you'll be providing an actual check along with that NDA of yours.
This I couldn't verify in your post, hence me pointing this out.

That said, still good luck.

[Kramlack]

As Miguelito said, it's a very unsafe proposition, and I'd even go as far as saying this belongs in the Collaborations or Unpaid sections, since you don't have the money to actually pay out right now.

[moi]

Thanks Leroy, I wasn't even aware of FGL until you mentioned it, I'll post there.

Moi, you've already asked me that in Today I Created. The answer was no. You're really working overtime to try and undermind my creations, why is that? Wait, in the cityscape I think the subway entrance and railings are modified from some freebies at turbosquid if that makes you feel better about yourself, lol.

I think they had a free m134 there as well, but I did mine from scratch out of sheer masochism.

I didn't remember asking that question (and you probably didn't even answer it the first time anyway)
lol, I'm not "working overtime to try and undermind your creations" Mr Artist, I'm just thinking that this looks a lot like stock models. Not that I have anyhitng against this, I would use it myself if it was a way to speed up my creative process.
I remember actually using a 3D package (was it lightwave?) that let you create models from combining elements from a library and the results looked a lot like that.

[mikejkelley]

I think the holidays make me a little testy.

But anyways, profit-sharing is paid, but since this isn't that, yeah, this thread may be more at home in collaborations. I thought as long as I was upfront in the subj. it wouldn't be an issue.

With that said, I fully expect to rec'v seed funding in January and this game has been budgeted for...

[jotapeh]

EDIT: But come on, "(if we win)" is an extremely unsafe proposition, and no different than any of the royalty/profit split/might-come-out-some-day ventures usually reserved for Collaborations and Unpaid. I find it difficult to consider this paid work, unless you'll be providing an actual check along with that NDA of yours.

As Miguelito said, it's a very unsafe proposition, and I'd even go as far as saying this belongs in the Collaborations or Unpaid sections, since you don't have the money to actually pay out right now.

Guys, it's clearly marked "(if we win)" on the title.

I really wish you wouldn't try to police threads like this. Especially as a programmer, I see potential money value in this proposition - and I would look for this here in Paid Work, not Unpaid or Collaborations. He wants to win.

Perhaps most importantly - there are rights issues for all the participants and their creation since this is being submitted to a specific contest. These legalities and the agreement of profit sharing model would have to be worked out in advance.


Maybe there should be an official forum decision on this, but imo profit share qualifies as paid. It's risky business, but it's money, and you're free to ignore it.


EDIT: I should mention this is a better deal than working with most of the 'real' paid crap on this forum, at least he's a forum member who contributes a to the community. so really. Don't shut these down.

[Miguelito]

There are certain other sites on the net where the mods will protect the OP teeth and claws, whatever the content of their post might be. The quality of said boards is, of course, just what you'd expect.

However, I've witnessed a much higher level of quality (and honesty) here on TIGSource, and would honestly hate to see this board go to the dumps like others. And if you want to call that policing, that's just fine.

I think that for any decently professional individual, "Paid" means paid, not "paid if".
If you have managed to complete any "profit sharing" projects already, then congratulations! But I'm not entirely certain you'll be in the majority there, and there's plenty of people, myself included, that have been burned by that kind of endeavor.

[jotapeh]

I'd consider myself a "decently professional individual" having had salary jobs in the game industry and web industry – and doing freelance on my own for almost 5 years now. I've also hired/paid others upfront - Kramlack included - for their work.

I'm not defending the OP simply because he has a right to speak (I think that's what you mean by "whatever the content of the post may be",) but rather I defend it because this is a legitimate business offer.

The point is there are money and legal issues here that would not be present in truly "Unpaid Work". So if you ask me, any decently professional individual ought to recognize that.


I completely agree with you that profit share or contest money is extremely risky and prone to failure. Yet at some point the benefits outweigh the risks, and many people organize business ventures for the express purpose and on the very model of shared risk, shared reward. And yes, I've been burned by poor choice of risk before, who hasn't?

Not everyone works on the freelance for cash model. Ownership of the product has a value and if you're smart about it you can make serious cash by joining the right team at the right time. In general you trade upfront cash/salary for ownership of the product and profit share, either in fractions or in whole, but these are both forms of payment and accepted in business.

All that said, the risk of a venture does not dictate whether or not you can consider it paid, and it's important for anyone who makes a living to be smart about the decisions they make. Having said that: If you're after a higher quality of job posting here, you'd be better off spending your time chasing off the people who want to hire you, strip you of your ownership and moral rights to your work, pay you less than you're worth and then mangle it in the presentation to the point where you can't even claim it as a portfolio piece.

I know there's at least a few postings like that on the paid board right now, generally somewhat established companies looking to poach inexperienced indies here.


Again, all my opinion, but I think there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to crooked deals or poor offerings here. People should be smart about the business ventures they take on, and as long as the poster is being upfront about the risk involved (and he is) there's no reason to complain if you take your chances and lose.

I totally respect it if you disagree, but I'd hope you can understand where I'm coming from. Maybe if needed/desired we could start a thread to discuss this somewhere else?