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« Reply #240 on: February 05, 2012, 10:20:54 AM »

ron paul is a blank slate upon which the autistic project their dreams and wishes, not unlike a final fantasy character. thats why they can just continually hand wave away things like his briefcase spilling open in congress and it being full of hand painted portraits of hitler and really nice silk banners of the n word. because it's not canon in their political fanfiction.
Is there truth behind this, or do you just like to portray anyone who is not liberal in this way?
There is always a notion among liberals like they are morally superior to all others, and anyone who doesn't agree with them is a racist.
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« Reply #241 on: February 05, 2012, 10:21:42 AM »

i didn't actually see him perform the lynching, just dragging the corpse behind his pickup truck through galveston while yelling "rahowa" repeatedly and throwing toby keith albums to gracious bystanders. there could have been a perfectly legitimate medical reason for doing that, he is a doctor, after all. besides, obama...
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« Reply #242 on: February 05, 2012, 10:27:05 AM »

Bottom line, you don't have any proof of the allegations(on the other hand I didn't read about him that much either).
Also, one of the things I read about him saying that were considered racist, were not actually racist. But news media like to have sensations.
Anyway, I am just defending him for the sake of playing the devil's advocate, because I get the feeling you are just repeating the rethoric the news media got into your head.
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« Reply #243 on: February 05, 2012, 10:38:40 AM »

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« Reply #244 on: February 05, 2012, 10:45:14 AM »

We should do like Iceland and put all these fuckers in jail, they will continue doing what they do unless we step up. Not just talking about the USA, but also Greece, Portugal and any country that misgoverns.  Noir
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« Reply #245 on: February 05, 2012, 10:48:30 AM »

look man, you don't have any proof. those 50 or so newsletters published over the course of decades in his name about the dread homo conspiracy, how martin luther king was a gay socialist demon, and how fast black purse snatchers can run? he didn't know (this is known as the libertarian doctrine of "personal responsibility") oh he knew? well i'm sure he didn't mean it. i say this as a dedicated single issue voter who has done no further research than googling "ron paul (weed/tax/war/chaos emeralds/mexicans/NORTH AMEIRCAN UNION FEMA DEATH CAMP OBONGO)"

i think you're just parroting lines from the news media you're not exposed to from the country you don't live in about the political theatre you're not invested in.
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« Reply #246 on: February 05, 2012, 10:49:49 AM »

We should do like Iceland and put all these fuckers in jail, they will continue doing what they do unless we step up. Not just talking about the USA, but also Greece, Portugal and any country that misgoverns.  Noir
That doesn't even make sense. You are suppose to replace them by voting, and votes count even if it's the worst possible choice.
It's how democracies work.
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« Reply #247 on: February 05, 2012, 10:55:26 AM »

I'm talking about jailing the ones that are in power and that misgoverned the country (determined via a plebiscite for instance), not jailing the ones that are candidates. That wouldn't make sense.
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« Reply #248 on: February 05, 2012, 10:55:48 AM »

look man, you don't have any proof. those 50 or so newsletters published over the course of decades in his name about the dread homo conspiracy, how martin luther king was a gay socialist demon, and how fast black purse snatchers can run? he didn't know (this is known as the libertarian doctrine of "personal responsibility") oh he knew? well i'm sure he didn't mean it. i say this as a dedicated single issue voter who has done no further research than googling "ron paul (weed/tax/war/chaos emeralds/mexicans/NORTH AMEIRCAN UNION FEMA DEATH CAMP OBONGO)"

i think you're just parroting lines from the news media you're not exposed to from the country you don't live in about the political theatre you're not invested in.
Well, from what I read, those newsletters were written in poor english and were not typical for his writting. Also, he seems a lot more calm and consistent than to make those kind of babbeling.
But, I don't really know.
Maybe you are right and he is a nutso, at the very least he is very good at hiding his true character which would probably cause him to make racist rambles similar to those in the newsletters. To be honest, I really don't know in this case.
But apart from those newsletter ramblings, I did read some other thing in the news that they claimed was racist and didn't really seem racist. That is why I thought it has become a rethoric to say "Ron Paul is a racist" eventhough he doesn't seem to show it recently.
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« Reply #249 on: February 05, 2012, 11:07:17 AM »

how recently does he have to stab black babies to be unelectable? what's the statute of limitations on idiot shit?
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« Reply #250 on: February 05, 2012, 11:19:00 AM »

My point was, if he was such a hateful racist that make ramblings about satan and killing all non whites and etc, he would have lost his cool and made the same rambling recently. These newsletters were from years ago, were there other more recent ones?
I am just saying the newsletter ramblings are in a very stark contrast to his current behaviour. He seems like a logical person, like I like how he said he would campaign until it's mathematically impossible to be elected. That doesn't sound like someone who compares others to Satan would have said.
So either those newsletters were not made by him, or they were made by him but he is very good at hiding his true racist rambling nature.
Well whatever, it makes me almost want to agree with you that he is a monster so I won't be hated for having my doubts.
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« Reply #251 on: February 05, 2012, 11:55:48 AM »

listen. i understand that you are a preteen, and from your writing that you live in norway, or finland, or some other fictional european lord of the rings country. and that's ok if you're into that kind of thing. but here in god's country (american samoa) when a man publishes fun words like

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A mob of black protestors, led by the 'Rev.' Al Sharpton, occupied and closed the Statue of Liberty recently, demanding that New York be renamed Martin Luther King City 'to reclaim it for our people.' Hmmm. I hate to agree with the Rev. Al, but maybe a name change is in order. Welfaria? Zooville? Rapetown? Dirtburg? Lazyopolis? But Al, the Statue of Liberty? Next time, hold that demonstration at a food stamp bureau or a crack house.

it is implicitly understood that it doesn't matter that it was from 1995 (i mean, who wasn't racist in 1995? it was all zubaz, yoshi's island and mein kampf) nor does it matter whether he wrote them or not. if you make millions of dollars saying I KNOW YOU'RE SCARED OF BLACKS AND MEXICANS, I'M SCARED OF BLACKS AND MEXICANS TOO, AND FOR ONLY DOZENS OF PAYMENTS OF $24.95 YOU CAN FIND OUT JUST HOW SCARED OF BLACKS AND MEXICANS I AM that is a bad thing, like, morally, ethically, and politically. his deal now is I KNOW YOU'RE SCARED OF BIG GOVERNMENT, I'M SCARED OF BIG GOVERNMENT TOO, AND FOR ONLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS I WILL TELL WOLF BLITZER HOW I WANT THE INVISIBLE HAND TO GENTLY STROKE ME OFF ONTO THE FACES OF THOSE DYING AND WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE.

do you see how having a fungible boogie man, from which he profits, whether that is nba players or whatever he is scared of today, shows that he is a cynic, of loose moral fibre and wavering convictions. do you not see that endorsing and profiting racism is bad even though he impressed you by using your programmer bondage safe word (mathematically) on tv. do you understand why if a man goes into the public sphere and says "you ever notice how the japanese are insects wearing human skin, and the jews are reptilian demons?" that it doesn't matter if in his heart of hearts that he believes it or not.
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« Reply #252 on: February 05, 2012, 12:52:54 PM »

Oh I see, so even if he didn't write those he made profit from the newsletters that was some sort of a scare mail?
Well, I will take your word for it.
Even if those racist ramblings mails were few and exceptional, all the rest had the same scare tactics against non whites, just without the mad rambling and more polite?
Well, if this is true and he was aware of what was going in the newsletter, then I agree he is either as racist as the ones writting his newsletter, or he didn't mind making profit out of it.
There is the slight possiblity that he didn't really know what was going on in these newsletters, because not many people knew what newsletter are back then. I would think.
Maybe he was just naive or he was really enjoying making profit of it eventhough he knew it was wrong, or he really believes in what those newsletters were writting.

You are right it is suspicious that things like that happen under his endorsement and he wouldn't know about it. Oh well, I guess you are right, heh.
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« Reply #253 on: February 05, 2012, 01:34:53 PM »

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There is the slight possiblity that he didn't really know what was going on in these newsletters, because not many people knew what newsletter are back then. I would think.
In 1996, he defended the news letters and made no claim he didn't know what was written in them. He heard the same criticisms but defended them: there is no possibility that he didn't know.
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« Reply #254 on: February 05, 2012, 01:36:40 PM »

There is so much epicness concentrated in this thread right now it can be used as a future energy source.  Hand ClapWho, Me?
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« Reply #255 on: February 05, 2012, 02:31:47 PM »

Let's not forget that he thinks if you are molested in your workplace, it's your own fault for not seeking a better job.  If you are Ron Paul's aide and he kisses you full on the mouth while he shoves his icy, bloodless hands down your underwear, you only have yourself to blame.  You were asking for it, and should have seen it coming. Trying to bring a suit against him would break the Non-Aggression Principle, because all laws are inherently backed by the force of violence.

So his ethics system inherently denies that, as a civilized society, we are all interconnected, and owe each each other 'something', even if at the most basic level it's merely not to rape and kill one another.  The basis of that is some level of communal agreement on morality.  It's indefensible to say that anything that happens to someone is their own fault, and that they should be punished for it.  A system that says "I can do as much as I want to influence you in negative ways provided I don't cross an incredibly skewed line of what counts as 'aggression'" isn't liberty.  It's narcissistic, nihilistic anarchy.

If you want that sort of life, with unlimited 'freedoms', go to Somalia.  No government will enact the dreadful violence of law to stop you from raping and killing, or forming a coked up child army to kill anyone you want.

Even the benefits of capitalism require an implicit agreement of "these are the rules we're going to do business by, and if you break them, you agree to go to prison/pay restitution."

Edit:  I'm still amused by how much pleasure I'm deriving from a thread Antymattr created.
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« Reply #256 on: February 05, 2012, 02:37:40 PM »

There is so much epicness concentrated in this thread right now it can be used as a future energy source.  Hand ClapWho, Me?

This right here is sustainability, folks.


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The only purpose of a peoples' government is to compensate for society's lack of personal responsibility and morals. Once you understand this basic truth you understand that the more the government "protects" you the more they are removing your freedoms. Personal responsibility and Freedom vs. No Responsibility and Artificial Fairness(Equity). You pick.
You can be molested in your workplace and it can be your problem, or it can be the government's problem. You can straighten up and gtfo, or you can bitch and whine to the government to compensate you and fix your terrible problems. You pick. Life is chaos. Safety is not guaranteed. Government's only purpose is to cover this truth up with roses and liquor.

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« Reply #257 on: February 05, 2012, 02:41:30 PM »

Let's not forget that he thinks if you are molested in your workplace, it's your own fault for not seeking a better job.  If you are Ron Paul's aide and he kisses you full on the mouth while he shoves his icy, bloodless hands down your underwear, you only have yourself to blame.  You were asking for it, and should have seen it coming. Trying to bring a suit against him would break the Non-Aggression Principle, because all laws are inherently backed by the force of violence.

So his ethics system inherently denies that, as a civilized society, we are all interconnected, and owe each each other 'something', even if at the most basic level it's merely not to rape and kill one another.  The basis of that is some level of communal agreement on morality.  It's indefensible to say that anything that happens to someone is their own fault, and that they should be punished for it.  A system that says "I can do as much as I want to influence you in negative ways provided I don't cross an incredibly skewed line of what counts as 'aggression'" isn't liberty.  It's narcissistic, nihilistic anarchy.

If you want that sort of life, with unlimited 'freedoms', go to Somalia.  No government will enact the dreadful violence of law to stop you from raping and killing, or forming a coked up child army to kill anyone you want.

Even the benefits of capitalism require an implicit agreement of "these are the rules we're going to do business by, and if you break them, you agree to go to prison/pay restitution."

Edit:  I'm still amused by how much pleasure I'm deriving from a thread Antymattr created.
lol, I would hate to continue this thread, but...
I think I actually read that, and I think that what he said is that a woman that has been harrased at work should quit and not wait for it to get worse(she can sue later or something). Which make sense, it's people like you who make fallacies and conclude that he said that it's woman's fault that she got raped at work because she chose the job. I am sure that's definitely not what he said.
However, we already agreed Ron Paul is the devil, so I am just being pedantic about what was actually said and how you stretch it.
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« Reply #258 on: February 05, 2012, 02:47:33 PM »

He's saying that they should voluntarily give up the job they need to eat and live.  And yeah, if you 'sue' later, you'll win whatever damages, but you'll also be out of a job.  This means that if you are being molested your options are to put up with it or starve until you win a court case which could take years to settle, and might not end in your favor. 
 

That's pretty a shitty situation that is pretty much set up to blame the victim.
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« Reply #259 on: February 05, 2012, 03:02:11 PM »

He's saying that they should voluntarily give up the job they need to eat and live.  And yeah, if you 'sue' later, you'll win whatever damages, but you'll also be out of a job.  This means that if you are being molested your options are to put up with it or starve until you win a court case which could take years to settle, and might not end in your favor. 
 

That's pretty a shitty situation that is pretty much set up to blame the victim.
Regardless of this discussion, I think it's a good advice for women to quit their job before anything terrible happens. Nobody can really protect a woman in her workplace, cops don't protect us, in most cases you are alone when you face your attacker.
Most women can afford to quit their job and find another job instead. (Of course it's not ideal, but it's a better option than getting raped)
Starvation is bad regardless of this issue, you imply that people without jobs starve. So that's another issue that needs to be dealt with.

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