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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2017, 06:08:11 AM »

in my view, the jedi are evil
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2017, 06:27:27 AM »

i think it's identity that's actually the illusion. think of it this way: 10 years ago you had very different views, you were a very different person, all of your atoms (or almost all) were completely different, utterly different personality, and yet you expect me to believe that that person 10 years ago, and that person 10 years from now, are both the same you that exists now? that they have anything in common at all? they don't have anything in common, they're completely different people, as different from one another as i am different from you, if not more. yet why do we call the person from 10 years ago, or even the person from 10 days ago, "me"?
Personality is not defined as a set of atoms, or identified by it. It can remain invariant to the amount of atoms recycled in your body. But even when you change your personality, you are still a human being.
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2017, 06:30:09 AM »

humans are made from cells, not atoms.
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2017, 06:32:31 AM »

And cells are made out of atoms, doesn't really affect the argument.
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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2017, 06:33:47 AM »

no, they are alive
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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2017, 06:38:16 AM »

They are not in the same sense alive as what your consciousness suggests. That's the delusion of self-projection.
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2017, 06:40:59 AM »

but whats the difference between animate and inanimate objects than? Im not made from rocks.
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2017, 06:44:06 AM »

I already said that your personality/consciousness is not defined as a set of atoms.
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2017, 06:47:18 AM »

but you are trying to prove that our brain is made from atoms
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2017, 06:55:01 AM »

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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2017, 07:00:32 AM »

but you are trying to prove that our brain is made from atoms
No, I am not trying to prove that because we can all assume that brain is made out of matter. You got that wrong, either on purpose or not.
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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2017, 07:00:50 AM »

Identity is a social negotiation, it is always in flux no matter what it is that is being identified.

You could declare your games aren't fun, I could declare they are. At that point, are you making fun games or aren't you?

Identities aren't illusions or delusions, they are shared reference points for social interaction.

The point is... ... ... ... ... fuck if I know.

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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2017, 07:18:54 AM »

Consciousness itself cannot be understood because it is a self-referencing act, in order to research consciousness you need consciousness. It is the same as if you would ask Mr. Almighty to create a rock he cannot move. There is no way to answer this question without violating the premise.

But you can observe correlations in brain activities and consciousness. The finding is that not all brain parts contribute to your consciousness. Point in case is that you cannot project your personality onto other things, it is equal to just assuming nonsense.
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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2017, 07:26:17 AM »

but other things are alive too
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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2017, 07:29:40 AM »

That doesn't imply that other things have a comparable level of consciousness.
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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2017, 07:35:12 AM »

Consciousness itself cannot be understood because it is a self-referencing act, in order to research consciousness you need consciousness. It is the same as if you would ask Mr. Almighty to create a rock he cannot move. There is no way to answer this question without violating the premise.

But you can observe correlations in brain activities and consciousness. The finding is that not all brain parts contribute to your consciousness. Point in case is that you cannot project your personality onto other things, it is equal to just assuming nonsense.

conversations like this, though, are exactly why games like that are interesting. even if you disagree with the ideas of the game, it triggering conversations and thinking about things like identity is valuable. more valuable than mere "fun" anyway.
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2017, 07:45:14 AM »

so who plays their games
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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2017, 08:35:29 AM »

I play my games during development, but too the point of I now hate looking at them.
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2017, 08:39:16 AM »

I sometimes do, and usually I'm pleasently surprised by them though I usually find details I want to fix. The last time I played my game on Steam I put out a new version with tiny tweaks.

Also, the ship of thesius is the paradox of a ship in which eventually every plank is replaced: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus Its an interesting introduction to the philosophy of identity.
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2017, 09:27:51 AM »

I'm taking note here that all you have to do to summon paul eres for a chat is to resurrect and old topic where he's posted.


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