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[derp]

Some things I've noticed that could preferably be changed:

-the who killed who thingy in the upper right is a bit messy, maybe some other clean GUI
-smoother netcode
-a chat function
-counter how many people are in the server, visible from the lobby
-engineer now is basically a slower scout, he needs some kind of build function
-remove Quote

[zephro]

And to start, can we calm down on the flaming and arguing in this thread, take it somewhere else. Let's leave this space for discussing game development issues. We still appreciate your feedback, suggestions, and contributions, but let's keep this a friendly place.

I would like for this too. This is a place to discuss the development, all flaming and trolling should be done elsewhere.

And I have to say, this goes for both sides of the flaming/trolling.



One thing I would like to discuss, is other possible methods of doing the netcode.
Is 39dll the best thing available, or are there other dlls that would perform better with lots of players..over the internet?

[HELLTRIKKY]

From skimming the thread at 4chan, it definitely seemed that the majority shared his opinion. Helltrikky at first agreed with me, then he was berated for siding with the "butthurt fags", so he very quickly "changed his mind".

I changed mind because I played the mod, not because I was berated (I said "I don't like where this is going" before playing it) 

[MedO]

39dll lets you use TCP and UDP sockets in GM and provides methods to write/read different datatypes to them. The problems don't come from the dll. It's just that it's really difficult to keep the needed bandwidth low. GG2 currently transfers 3 bytes per player every frame, and 10 bytes per player every fifth frame, to every player (plus TCP/IP overhead for each packet, which is 40 Bytes). But as more people join a server, the required upstream bandwidth of the server rises quadratically. Also, the server will at times have to retransmit lost TCP packets, which causes short bursts of additional bandwidth. The best measure to prevent the famous networking errors is currently to lower the player limit on your server until they disappear.

[andykd7]

Just wondering Medo is most of your time going into updating engineer,working on bugs/net issues or the map update?

[Robotacon]

Man you guys are lucky they modded your game.
What a tribute to your tribute.

Make the game open source and let's see what happens!

[Candlejack]

You didn't really answer my question. Are you going to port this from Game Maker after the competition is over?

[patonki]

I wanted to contribute somehow, so I created a turret.

Tell me what you think. I threw it together in paint. The animation is for the sentry startup, and the desembodiesd parts are the stable part, and the rotating part, which aims at players. Feel free to use, if it's good enough.

Here is a the raw file

[MedO]

Just wondering Medo is most of your time going into updating engineer,working on bugs/net issues or the map update?

Most of my time goes into reading and answering this thread. Which is why I'll *really* limit myself to posting here once a day now. And I already wrote that I won't work on the game until the weekend.

See you tomorrow.

[HELLTRIKKY]

I wanted to contribute somehow, so I created a turret.

Tell me what you think. I threw it together in paint. The animation is for the sentry startup, and the desembodiesd parts are the stable part, and the rotating part, which aims at players. Feel free to use, if it's good enough.

Here is a the raw file

that's really awesome

[Rawrl]

Nice turret sprite.

One issue that's been brought up about the turrets is balance. If implemented, they'd either be underpowered to the point of uselessness, or they'd be insta-rape. A happy medium would be very difficult to achieve.

One suggestion that came up is perhaps the Engineer could spawn some sort of block that has a limited supply of health, and stops bullets, etc. but not players. Obviously, there'd need to be a limit on how many an engie can spawn at once, otherwise people would just set up an infinite shield and turtle in their flag room.

Also, chat. Now.

[HELLTRIKKY]

Nice turret sprite.

On issue that's been brought up about the turrets is balance. If implemented, they'd either be underpowered to the point of uselessness, or they'd be insta-rape. A happy medium would be very difficult to achieve.

One suggestion that came up is perhaps the Engineer could spawn some sort of block that has a limited supply of health, and stops bullets, etc. but not players. Obviously, there'd need to be a limit on how many an engie can spawn at once, otherwise people would just set up an infinite shield and turtle in their flag room.

Also, chat. Now.

Will it block teammates' bullets too?

[mrfredman]

I wanted to contribute somehow, so I created a turret.

Tell me what you think. I threw it together in paint. The animation is for the sentry startup, and the desembodiesd parts are the stable part, and the rotating part, which aims at players. Feel free to use, if it's good enough.

Here is a the raw file

That looks fantastic! I already did a sentry sprite, but never got around to doing an animation for it. Your's is simple, but it would totally work. Thanks for your contribution, when the time comes to get sentries up and running, I'd say theres a good chance yours will make it in.

[Rawrl]

Will it block teammates' bullets too?

I dunno, what do you think? It might be kind of annoying if it does, and it'd present numerous opportunities for griefing, but it might be better to have it block everything to prevent abuse.

Either way has its pros and cons, so I guess it's up to whoever implements it. If enough people bitch about it we could always change it.

[Vaati]

Just about done, RED side is completely finished.

2dfort revisted:

[Vegetable]

GG2 currently transfers 3 bytes per player every frame, and 10 bytes per player every fifth frame, to every player (plus TCP/IP overhead for each packet, which is 40 Bytes).

What data do those bytes actually represent?

[HELLTRIKKY]

Just about done, RED side is completely finished.

2dfort revisted:

wow, thats pretty cool, you should mirror the red side and change the color pattlete, anyways this is awesome

[Candlejack]

The explosions and smoke don't look 8-bit.

[HELLTRIKKY]

The explosions and smoke don't look 8-bit.

I'll do some 8-bit explosions and smoke 

...but later

[Hitlerchan]

Love the game good job guys.

Only 1 suggestion, Ze Game Needz Zeee Samvich.