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[gimymblert]

Ok, this is what I want to achieve:
* Maximum permissive
* No stupid disputes between users over simple seeds. I own the "Poop" song!!
* Possible to copyright a song/song parameters given enough input and/or rendering. Use it like a tool
* No worries about copyright infringement with already existing songs that you generate by mistake

Is CC0/public domain the solution here?

Make human had the exact same problem:
http://makehuman.org/doc/node/makehuman_mesh_license.html
They explain their rational here



Other topic:
I was wondering if it was possible to bias the music output with "artificial ears" (basically a simple markov chain based on one or many input musics). I guess at the generation level it choose the most likely notes based on theory, but what if I want to say more like "this". Also it could be bias toward exception (where the theory break)... That's something I wanted to do until you start this project.

[moi]

maybe krasse could setup an advanced mode that would require registration to access a more ergonomic interface and non-essential toys, without hindering the normal editing possibilities.
This is such a cool program, I wouldn't see a problem if he could monetize it a little bit

[krasse]

Make human had the exact same problem:
http://makehuman.org/doc/node/makehuman_mesh_license.html
They explain their rational here



Other topic:
I was wondering if it was possible to bias the music output with "artificial ears" (basically a simple markov chain based on one or many input musics). I guess at the generation level it choose the most likely notes based on theory, but what if I want to say more like "this". Also it could be bias toward exception (where the theory break)... That's something I wanted to do until you start this project.

That was a really helpful link, thanks a lot Gimym TILBERT!
Nice to see that someone has gone through this confusion and settled for CC0.

The other topic: I have a lot of places where I put in "typical" musical variables like for harmony progressions, voice leading and figuration. Here it is possible to enter other values that will produce a completely different result, especially when it comes to voice leading and figuration.
Some of those variables are visible in the "Parameters" and "Domains" tabs but most of them are not accessible in the GUI yet.

[darkhog]

Since Timidity can export midis to Wav and wav can be encoded to ogg, could you make ogg export for this marvelous program?

Also you should check out NTONYX sound font. It's definitely best free sound font out there and it can be easily configured for use with Timidity.

//edit: Also it'd be nice to be able to generate "looping" songs for usage in videogames, unless I am missing something (played with thing just for few minutes).

[wccrawford]

Ok, this is what I want to achieve:
* Maximum permissive
* No stupid disputes between users over simple seeds. I own the "Poop" song!!
* Possible to copyright a song/song parameters given enough input and/or rendering. Use it like a tool
* No worries about copyright infringement with already existing songs that you generate by mistake

Is CC0/public domain the solution here?

I think CC0 would be fine, yeah.  I know there's a slight potential for abuse there, but I think the freedom of knowing your song is yours makes it worth it.

I think it also takes care of that last bit, where there might be copyright issues.  By using CC0 (which effectively waives your copyright claim) the onus is on the user to make sure their work doesn't violate someone else's copyright.  (Which is a whole other issue, and basically impossible to avoid if you're making music at all.)

If you've chosen that one, could you put a notice on the Help menu about it?  I'd love to use it for the next Ludum Dare, and that's just over a week away.

[Graham-]

Christ. You guys are talking about this so much I might actually have to try this thing.

[ITS_Mike]

Christ. You guys are talking about this so much I might actually have to try this thing.

I was just thinking the same thing   When GreyKnight (the guy who is helping out with the creative side of my current project) found out that this tool existed and heard a sample, he immediately suggested that we use it.  Now that the legal issues seem to be clearing up, that is looking like a viable option

[Graham-]

the secret is to let tools do all the work for you. slave away on that and life is easy-street.

[ITS_Mike]

the secret is to let tools do all the work for you. slave away on that and life is easy-street.

Programming, after all, is the art of doing less work

[Graham-]

and god invented emacs. then he totally fucked it up.  /tangent

[gimymblert]

the secret is to let tools do all the work for you. slave away on that and life is easy-street.

Programming, after all, is the art of doing less work

Programmin is the art of doing a lot of work to do less ... forever

[Graham-]

doing 0 is the singularity. //tangent

[moi]

the secret is to let tools do all the work for you. slave away on that and life is easy-street.

the secret in your case would be to stop the litany and actually start doing shit

[Graham-]

well, research is shit. you can't start construction of a bridge if you know it will fall down. the type of my bridge is very, very new. so there's a lot more research required. but I'm working for real now, just slowly.


///tangent

[moi]

start small, grow later

[Graham-]

in development yes, absolutely.

(sorry to op. we're like this sometimes)

[krasse]

I've put the CC0 stuff in the help menu now.

Going to use it myself for Ludum Dare

[darkhog]

Any plans on generating music into other formats than MIDI? Because MIDI always sound different, depending on soundfont and various settings and OGG or MP3 always sound same on every PC (though I prefer OGG - not for openness of format, but because better quality to filesize ratio).

I have also question about backend, seeing it is webapp. Do you use PHP, Ruby, Python or is it CGI site?

[krasse]

Any plans on generating music into other formats than MIDI?

I have also question about backend, seeing it is webapp. Do you use PHP, Ruby, Python or is it CGI site?

I previously had a server running that rendered MP3s and OGGs, had user login and all that, but it was a bit heavy.

Currently, everything is done in the client and the server is just Dropbox

[darkhog]

Ah, okay. But I can't see how you can generate MIDIs in JS app .

Anyway, it'd be worthwhile to reinstate that server - I'm sure people would donate for hosting.