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[Schoq]

in the story mode you can stab the final boss in the neck while he's doing his intro monologue and win

it's a very good game

[Photon]

tekken is slow enough to actually react some of the times and the button combinations are intuitive

(irl you're right, I just enjoy playing it with other fightgam noobs. I can't imagine there'd be any joy treating any fighting game as an actual competition)

btw every single fighting game ive ever played (except smash) has been an exercise in frustration at being unable to pull off even simple moves (i can't reliably do a hadoken in street fighter). at some point i stopped trying and moved on to games i can actually play.

I've tried to get into fighting games but having to memorize super-arbitrary button combos and timing doesn't sound very fun to me. Like, I can actually see the basics of what I'm doing wrong in a fight, but the effort necessary to correct it can be frustratingly high. I prefer it when the application of knowledge and the mechanical skill required to carry it out are much more balanced together.

On that note, I feel like Smash is way easier to get into but way harder to master.

[Tanner]

There's a tie for best fighting game between Super Gem Fighter and Bushido Blade. Search your heart, you know it to be true.

these and gals fighters on the neo geo pocket color are the best.

tekken is slow enough to actually react some of the times and the button combinations are intuitive

(irl you're right, I just enjoy playing it with other fightgam noobs. I can't imagine there'd be any joy treating any fighting game as an actual competition)

btw every single fighting game ive ever played (except smash) has been an exercise in frustration at being unable to pull off even simple moves (i can't reliably do a hadoken in street fighter). at some point i stopped trying and moved on to games i can actually play.

i am exactly the same way.

[ｂ∀ ｋｋｕｓａ]

one of the positive point of tekken (especially since tekken 6) is that it has newbie friendly characters with a move set that doesn't require "simple moves" (hadoken lol) .
You can play those characters on a competitive way ( leo, bob, alisa, hwarang, law etc...) without the requirement of having max dexterity fingers. If you can't pull a hadoken you won't be able to play the mishimas for example.

The only requirement to be able to play in a competitive scene is a knowledge of all characters and how to defense and punish them. which can be too much considering the number of available characters.

[J-Snake]

The only requirement to be able to play in a competitive scene is a knowledge of all characters and how to defense and punish them. which can be too much considering the number of available characters.

Yep, also too many weird characters. Tekken 4 was just fine in that regard, the nicest Tekken for me. The likes like Street Fighter reward "input skills" too much. I believe this approach holds down the potential of a game itself. Tekken is more inline with my philosophy: Communicating the intent of an action should ideally happen as directly as possible. That way you can potentially elevate a game to a higher level. With proper design, the game can be all about fast paced mind games, not being limited by a cumbersome/indirect communication interface. Tekken is not perfect, but that is why I prefer it over Street Fighter, despite having good input skills.

[Türbo Bröther]

Bushido blade is too good to count as a fighting game

i havenever plalyed it

You should play it ASAP. It might be a complex game with high/med/low stances, high/med/low attack buttons, parrying, jumping and climbing, dagger throwing, locational damage, eight different weapons, characters who have special moves depending on which weapon you pair them up with but at the same time you can run around and turn every match into a joust which alone is really fun (and surprisingly effective against the AI). There's a mode where you fight against a hundred dudes in a corridor which is hardcore especially if you're trying to do it without getting killed and you can even play in black and white to mimic old samurai films which is a pretty cool feature.

Indeed,

it's a very good game

[Capntastic]

im more interested in troll face: meme inspired card game

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We even have a nice Superb Joe meme

god damnit fuck you

Hahahahaha holy shit are we just gonna avert our eyes from this or what

[s0]

I hope there's eventually something like the "roguelite" or whatever genre for fightgams. To me the problem with them (from an "outside perspective") seems to be that they've been stuck catering to the same hardcore/competitive crowd with its particular standards and biases for years now. Nothing wrong with pandering to a particular audience ofc, but if you do it exclusively the genre becomes more and more insular and resistant to design innovation that doesn't chime with the ingrained tastes of your crowd. The same thing happened to an even greater extent with shmups btw.

It also happened with roguelikes big time. Probably even moreso because many devs insisted on sticking with UI design conventions from the early 80s. However, 7DRL and "not TRUE roguelikes" like spelunky gaining traction ended causing a rejuvenation in "traditional" roguelikes as well and caused more new and exciting stuff to be made than in the entire previous 20 years. I hope something like that will eventually happen in fighting games.

[Alevice]

nidhogg and back then smahs bros

[s0]

smash didnt really change the fighting game scene tho did it? it just created its own niche.

does anyone even play nidhogg anymore?

[Schoq]

nidhogg's popularity peaked about five years before it was released when it was exclusive to smelly "indie elite" meetups

we could make a list of convention-defying (but still pretty good) vs. fighting games, that sounds fun.

let's see
-Bushido Blade
-Nidhogg
-Smash Bros.
-Sumotori
-WWF SmackDown!
-Destrega

[Photon]

smash didnt really change the fighting game scene tho did it? it just created its own niche.

Depends on who you talk to, methinks. Some people don't consider it a fighting game while others do. I wouldn't go starting that argument with hardcore fans though, lol.

Edit: Also, I didn't think Pokken was too bad of a fighting game. Its more nuanced on a tactical level with the plane switches and support options. Granted, it takes some getting used to, but once you get past that the mechanical skill needed to do stuff is OK-ish. My biggest beef with the game, if anything, is how projectile heavy it is. My boy Sceptile can really struggle against certain fights.

That's another thing I don't like about fighting games. I hate it when I find a particular character/strat that I really like, only to find that half of the top-tier "meta" threats more or less invalidate it with minimal effort. Its like the game goes "Here's 50 different ways to play the game. Just realize only 5 of these are good if you want to be super competitive; everything else is just for screwing around. Psyche!" Can you win fights with low-tier threats? Sure, but it often requires way more work on your part than the other guy who's using the better, "more meta" fighter. Its like I either have to be competitive or have fun, but I can't do both.

Or maybe I just don't get fighter games.

[s0]

Depends on who you talk to, methinks. Some people don't consider it a fighting game while others do. I wouldn't go starting that argument with hardcore fans though, lol.

what i mean is, it didn't really start a new trend. there are only a handful of "smash-like" games and none of em were well received as far as i know.

[Tanner]

I hope there's eventually something like the "roguelite" or whatever genre for fightgams. To me the problem with them (from an "outside perspective") seems to be that they've been stuck catering to the same hardcore/competitive crowd with its particular standards and biases for years now. Nothing wrong with pandering to a particular audience ofc, but if you do it exclusively the genre becomes more and more insular and resistant to design innovation that doesn't chime with the ingrained tastes of your crowd. The same thing happened to an even greater extent with shmups btw.

It also happened with roguelikes big time. Probably even moreso because many devs insisted on sticking with UI design conventions from the early 80s. However, 7DRL and "not TRUE roguelikes" like spelunky gaining traction ended causing a rejuvenation in "traditional" roguelikes as well and caused more new and exciting stuff to be made than in the entire previous 20 years. I hope something like that will eventually happen in fighting games.

pocket rumble is worth checking out, i think

[Superb Joe]

im more interested in troll face: meme inspired card game

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We even have a nice Superb Joe meme

god damnit fuck you

Hahahahaha holy shit are we just gonna avert our eyes from this or what

that guy and his whole existence are soooo bad

[gimymblert]

Depends on who you talk to, methinks. Some people don't consider it a fighting game while others do. I wouldn't go starting that argument with hardcore fans though, lol.

what i mean is, it didn't really start a new trend. there are only a handful of "smash-like" games and none of em were well received as far as i know.

Nintendo tend to burn the ground around many follower due to 3 factors:
1 - brand recognition
2 - signature gameplay
3 - skyhigh polish

1. makes it that they get the initial good will that help achieve critical mass of people trying it
2. makes it that it's different enough that following it makes it an obvious clone
3. makes it hard to make obvious QOL improvement over what's already there, ie difficult to compete against

That's why there is little clone of their genre, like zelda like and co.

[quantumpotato]

nidhogg's popularity peaked about five years before it was released when it was exclusive to smelly "indie elite" meetups

we could make a list of convention-defying (but still pretty good) vs. fighting games, that sounds fun.

let's see
-Bushido Blade
-Nidhogg
-Smash Bros.
-Sumotori
-WWF SmackDown!
-Destrega

Lethal League. An underrated game IMO

[Bad_Dude 2017]

youre obviosly trolling

[JobLeonard]

I've never played Divekick, but I suppose a two-button fighting game is pretty convention-defying

[Bad_Dude 2017]

for some reason i mistaken lethal league for divekick. Guess at some point all those american FG crowd pandering local coop games\Iron Galaxy stuff starts to look the same.
Those things deserve to be obscure, they take spartan oppressiveness of Street Fighter 2 and streamline it to appeal to exact 10 people who worked at giant bomb.