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[ProgramGamer]

I think he means random butt slaps in public or something. I might be wrong.

[gimymblert]

Yes that one is wrong, any non consensual contact are

[Mittens]

Counter-Strike: Global Offensive doesn't have a single sexy character

[gimymblert]

 It has no women character either?

[MeshGearFox]

can we post yiff in here yet

i want to post yiff

PM me your yiff please

Did.

[absolute8]

btw i dont really understand why people are so obsessed with including "sexy" characters in literally everything. i mean yeah sure i'm a Straight Man(tm) and i like looking at women i find attractive, but not 24/7 in every single piece of media.

honestly videogames are so sexualized (and almost always in the exact same way) that i find games with no "erotic" elements to be more interesting these days.

The gratuitous inclusion of sexualized characters in most media aren't for the actual discussion or expression of sexuality, but for the promotion final product. It's likely that every female character in AAA games have a perfect coke bottle form and double-D breast because the producer or whoever stepped in and said it would promote X amount of sales.

My whole point of beginning this thread was to promote discussion beyond simple gratuitous usage. American media as a whole seems to be plagued by this. It's a matter of the sexuality being a relevant part of a cohesive whole of the creativity.

[Pfotegeist]

Isn't it equally likely that the sexy characters are real people, the way they would look if poison wasn't served daily? If so, The sexuality that they express is the way they'd express themselves if society didn't chain them down. People play shooters, but won't necessarily go to a real war zone because war is frequently unjust. There's the saying, all is fair in love and war; frequently quoted when two people are contending for the love of a third, this begs the question why they are conditioned against cooperation when the contention is unjust.

[gimymblert]

Except in game the expression is really narrow and overblown, and actual sexy people exist, they come from all shape and colors, and their likely to express sexyness through attitude not bouncing tits.

You can't rationalize something that even sexy people tell you is bad.

[absolute8]

Except in game the expression is really narrow and overblown, and actual sexy people exist, they come from all shape and colors, and their likely to express sexyness through attitude not bouncing tits.

You can't rationalize something that even sexy people tell you is bad.

How is bouncy breast wrong? The bounce is only considered because it is a natural attribute of actual breasts, which are indeed bouncy.

I find media where the remove the bounce super lame. I mean, I was just playing a KOF game with Mai in it and they removed the damn bounce even though she has zero support from what she is wearing. I mean, c'mon now.

[gimymblert]

Well I'm reporting what big breasted women told me, IT FUCKING HURT AND GIVE YOU BACK PAIN, some even do operation for breast reduction because of how bad it is on their life, so as real person, they don't want to have it flip flop around that's not realistic nor it is healthy.

That's for the background.

The only reason you have bouncing tits is for male to ogle too, that's particularly bad when the context don't warrant it.

Bra exist you know. Now bra don't negate movement, but they aren't overly bouncy either.

That said many sex positive feminist aren't against bouncy tits when appropriate, but most of the time it is spawn everywhere gratuitously.

[starsrift]

How is bouncy breast wrong? The bounce is only considered because it is a natural attribute of actual breasts, which are indeed bouncy.

I find media where the remove the bounce super lame. I mean, I was just playing a KOF game with Mai in it and they removed the damn bounce even though she has zero support from what she is wearing. I mean, c'mon now.

It boggles me how one could demand realism in breast physics but not athlete build/body type or clothing.

[Pfotegeist]

I'm watching the Body Modification video by National Geographic. In the first six minutes: So far I noted the commentator uses the term "disfigurement" which probably sounds ok. The woman says the pain is part of living.  Then the young girls are allowed to decide if they will wear the neck rings, but they don't have to.

Clearly we've gone too far by trying to draw sexy people.

Also I'd refer to anime for exaggerated personalities.

[Dragonmaw]

also breasts are not that bouncy unless somebody is jogging without a bra

[ProgramGamer]

Muscles don't flex when they move, why should boobs jiggle? It's just a game lol.

[absolute8]

A lot of valid points have been made, but now the discussion is boiling right back down to where we started "it's too intricate and taboo, so just don't do it" basically. Not only that, there is a common presumption that any expression of female sexiness is just for tantalization of the male audience. This notion is completely false.

What our tastes and preferences deem sexy are not always sexual in context. For instance, there are people who get naked in a hospital while their injuries are being tended too. Not sexy no matter how physically attractive the person is. Nudity does not automatically equal sexy. And by relation, partial nudity/ revealing depiction does not equal sexy, though it may be arousing. Sexiness comes from sexual intent -- an implicit or explicit expression of sexuality for sexual purpose.

Having said that, if a woman goes bra-less and walks down the street wobbling all over the place, does that means she is expressing sexual intent to everyone that finds the sight of her arousing? Nope. The existence of the bra has set the bar of sexual expression higher. Because it is common place and optional to wear a bra, when a woman decides not to wear one -- which is entirely normal when you think about it -- it is instantly regarded as scandalous.

I think whats important in this discussion is to really break down where the problems lie because no matter how we shape it, if we're depicting human beings in our games, we are symbolically portraying the sexes. There's no way around it. If we're not having fun, then there must be some abuses other than the fact that people differ in taste and opinion for what is being shown.

[absolute8]

The way I see it, if we don't find a valid and artistic way to tackle this subject, then pornography will always dominate the common consideration of sexuality. I'll draw pixellated boobs every damn day if it'll keep an 18 year old girl from going to a "modeling/actress" job she found on Craig's list.

Pornography gives zero fucks (pun un-intended)about how they depict sexuality, which is why it is commonly filled with harmful and idiotic lies.

[gimymblert]

That's not what we are saying, we are saying it's intricate, just learn about the nuance.

And that's true for everything, you don't start drawing like Leonard da vinci if you don't put the exercise, period.

There is a difference between what's on your mind when you witness nudity and exploiting that into art set up in a public place. Emphasis in exploiting, because we are not JUST discussing nudity we are discussing a narrow set of heavily bias representation of woman.

If anything putting poor depiction of women out without addressing or wanting to address the pressure their face is just bad etiquette.

Pornography give more fuck that you want to believe, it has more representation and situation for women, of all colors, shapes, ages and sexuality, especially modern days pornography, than most of other media. Today a lot of porn start with actually presenting the woman and humanizing her and asking for her terms, big macho industry still exist in porn, but feminist porn has also flourish with zero problem.

Think about it you are losing to fucking porn, that's how sad the state of affair is.

[gimymblert]

What Your Favorite Boob Size Says About You

science!

[JWK5]

Set your aesthetic goals ahead of time, and make sure they mesh with the subject matter. Be honest about your aesthetics.

If your goal is girls in skimpy clothes and to titillate then commit to that, make it obvious that is what you're offering up (so that players know what to expect before they buy it or whatever). Imagine playing Call of Duty or some other action game and finding out after the fact all the male characters are running around in thongs with their genitals flopping around, it wouldn't really fit the game well and it could be fairly uncomfortable and awkward for a lot of players. That is the feeling a lot of women have when their only character options in games are skimpy fashion models.

As a creative male one of the hardest lessons to learn is not to let your dick and your ego do all the thinking when you are making things.

[ｂ∀ ｋｋｕｓａ]

Resident evil 1 is a good example of well done genders.