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[ClayB]

so guys new xbox console thingy announcement next week

finally the next generation of moving forward and shooting unveiled  

[SirNiko]

Every bullet will be individually rendered and a sophisticated physics engine will allow for real-time barrel erosion, flight physics, and NPC wounds.

[moi]

150% more butter on the walls, more aged and wrinkled military guys

But seriously i really don't know what a new console generation will bring, Einstein said WW4 would be fought with sticks and stones, maybe 4Th console generation will be all 16 bit sidescrolling platformers ?

[Maud'Dib Atreides]

150% more butter on the walls, more aged and wrinkled military guys

But seriously i really don't know what a new console generation will bring, Einstein said WW4 would be fought with sticks and stones, maybe 4Th console generation will be all 16 bit sidescrolling platformers ?

Dreams deferred..

[s_l_m]

150% more butter on the walls, more aged and wrinkled military guys

But seriously i really don't know what a new console generation will bring, Einstein said WW4 would be fought with sticks and stones, maybe 4Th console generation will be all 16 bit sidescrolling platformers ?

The huge nerd in me needs to point out that the fourth gen WAS 16 bit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28fourth_generation%29

Aside from that, I really do hope that next gen has a higher non-fps:fps ratio

[moi]

console "generations" are counted from the playstation 1

[SirNiko]

The current year is 18 APSX.

And yes, the XBox 3 will feature a plethora of 16 bit platformers, by which I mean it'll have a lot of indie games on it.

[Player 3]

The current year is 18 APSX.

And yes, the XBox 3 will feature a plethora of 16 bit platformers, by which I mean it'll have a lot of indie games on it.

Last time I checked, Xbox LIVE Indie Games mainly contained Minecraft clones, zombie shooters, sometimes both, shovelware mostly done in MS Paint, and Japanese dating sims. I doubt that's going to change. If Sony doesn't want more realistic graphics/first person shooters on the PS4, that would be great (true fact).

[mono]

http://mother4.andonuts.net/

never seen this project

[Udderdude]

http://mother4.andonuts.net/

never seen this project

Holy fuck my eyes.

[mono]

[moi]

[Ashkin]

bizarro

[Tanner]

bazinga

[gimymblert]

fuck you! i want gameplay with water physics this gen

[:^)]

Rhythm 0, 1974
To test the limits of the relationship between performer and audience, Abramović developed one of her most challenging (and best-known) performances. She assigned a passive role to herself, with the public being the force which would act on her.
Abramović had placed upon a table 72 objects that people were allowed to use (a sign informed them) in any way that they chose. Some of these were objects that could give pleasure, while others could be wielded to inflict pain, or to harm her. Among them were a rose, a feather, honey, a whip, scissors, a scalpel, a gun and a single bullet. For six hours the artist allowed the audience members to manipulate her body and actions.
Initially, members of the audience reacted with caution and modesty, but as time passed (and the artist remained passive) people began to act more aggressively. As Abramović described it later:
“What I learned was that... if you leave it up to the audience, they can kill you.” ... “I felt really violated: they cut up my clothes, stuck rose thorns in my stomach, one person aimed the gun at my head, and another took it away. It created an aggressive atmosphere. After exactly 6 hours, as planned, I stood up and started walking toward the audience. Everyone ran away, to escape an actual confrontation.�

[CVaseTYb!!]

Rhythm 0, 1974
To test the limits of the relationship between performer and audience, Abramović developed one of her most challenging (and best-known) performances. She assigned a passive role to herself, with the public being the force which would act on her.
Abramović had placed upon a table 72 objects that people were allowed to use (a sign informed them) in any way that they chose. Some of these were objects that could give pleasure, while others could be wielded to inflict pain, or to harm her. Among them were a rose, a feather, honey, a whip, scissors, a scalpel, a gun and a single bullet. For six hours the artist allowed the audience members to manipulate her body and actions.
Initially, members of the audience reacted with caution and modesty, but as time passed (and the artist remained passive) people began to act more aggressively. As Abramović described it later:
“What I learned was that... if you leave it up to the audience, they can kill you.” ... “I felt really violated: they cut up my clothes, stuck rose thorns in my stomach, one person aimed the gun at my head, and another took it away. It created an aggressive atmosphere. After exactly 6 hours, as planned, I stood up and started walking toward the audience. Everyone ran away, to escape an actual confrontation.�

actually i think that's really cool and that doom 6 sucks dongs but i'm probably an idiot

[ClayB]

Rhythm 0, 1974
To test the limits of the relationship between performer and audience, Abramović developed one of her most challenging (and best-known) performances. She assigned a passive role to herself, with the public being the force which would act on her.
Abramović had placed upon a table 72 objects that people were allowed to use (a sign informed them) in any way that they chose. Some of these were objects that could give pleasure, while others could be wielded to inflict pain, or to harm her. Among them were a rose, a feather, honey, a whip, scissors, a scalpel, a gun and a single bullet. For six hours the artist allowed the audience members to manipulate her body and actions.
Initially, members of the audience reacted with caution and modesty, but as time passed (and the artist remained passive) people began to act more aggressively. As Abramović described it later:
“What I learned was that... if you leave it up to the audience, they can kill you.” ... “I felt really violated: they cut up my clothes, stuck rose thorns in my stomach, one person aimed the gun at my head, and another took it away. It created an aggressive atmosphere. After exactly 6 hours, as planned, I stood up and started walking toward the audience. Everyone ran away, to escape an actual confrontation.”[7]

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Abramovi%C4%87

So if this is art, which I think it is, games are art. That's all.

ok yeah, the scene she's in is firmly up it's own ass. Pretentiousness aside though, it's still weirdly intriguing. Even if you think she's a joke, it's crazy how she has something of a following (not saying that adds creditably).

[s0]

Active for over three decades, she has recently begun to describe herself as the "grandmother of performance art."

vienna aktionists did it first yo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viennese_Actionism

[:^)]

I guess I just don't get the thing that is said sometimes that goes a little like

Games are interactive and therefore can't be guaranteed to have a definitive playthrough that exposes all the intentions of the maker and therefore aren't art, because art has a message. ...or something like that.

That's total BS. so many people generally accepted as "artists" have work that they didn't even intend to have a "message". They just leave it open to interpretation and we don't generally call them out on their BS.

If anything most games nowadays are just completely kitsch, at least by my understanding of kitsch. There's little relationship between the artist (dev) and the player if there's a relationship at all.

The bummer is that even though audience involvement only further allows art to expose and PLAY with our nature -like in the action i posted on the last page- games rarely take advantage of that. To me as a dev, collecting data about how people play is probably more interesting than to just get feedback like "this looks so cool."

With my first Deshori demo it was really cool how everyone seemed to do exactly what I wanted them to (head toward a particular object) without me actually really "telling" them to in-game.

I dunno. I think devs need to learn to art better.