next »

[ProgramGamer]

Social commentary as game mechanics. No ludonarrative dissonance here folks.

[gimymblert]

It's just a repeat, by the company who paired a black woman with a monkey and has a heavy handed metaphor of slavery with half animal slave ... because nothing spells multicultural society that maintaining people you claim into lower status to be saved and win good feel points.

I mean no medieval fantasy world focus much on the torture devices, but yeah if it's POC let's bring back all the awful things to show how progressive we are by not creating world where they strive. That's why all aztec fantasy is created around the sacrifice and not city that merged with nature like theoticuan, or africa focus on rural spear and mud hut insted of mansa musa richest man on earth.

[Torchkas]

so I just got a message from someone who offered me to make songs for him with a contract (I still have to discuss terms with him). it's not much money, but I must say I'm pretty excited

[ProgramGamer]

Great! 

[Manuel Magalhães]

Good to know.

[s0]

cool! 

[gimymblert]

that's cool!

[Cobralad]

kick their asses!!!!!!!

[Capntastic]

https://jacobinmag.com/2017/09/wallace-shawn-plays-socialist-night-thoughts-culture-hollywood

[s0]

also cool

[gimymblert]

https://jacobinmag.com/2017/09/wallace-shawn-plays-socialist-night-thoughts-culture-hollywood

*

But if a different system should replace the current one, the character of the new system will be determined to an important degree by how it treats those over whom it would then have power, the former rulers. I don’t believe in revenge or even really in punishment, and I think that people who take revenge against formerly powerful monsters become at that moment powerful monsters themselves.

Of course I’m a member of the bourgeoisie, and so are most of the people I know and love, so you might suspect my motives when I say these things. You could say I’m trying to protect the asses of the bourgeoisie, and my own ass is one of the ones I’m protecting. But I can’t deny my own beliefs simply because someone might suspect my motives. Those are my beliefs.

I don’t believe in punishing the poor. And I don’t believe in punishing the rich, either. I don’t believe in punishing the innocent. And I don’t really believe in punishing the guilty.

[Schoq]

guilt is a fake concept when it comes down to it: punishment must be utilitarian and not just cathartic

[Superb Joe]

gotta punish someone bitch. now take your swirlie like a man.

[gimymblert]

I'm just pointing at the levine school of thought that lead to both side, you can see even people who are aware of it are conflicted about it, because ultimately they see themselves as guilty, hence cognitive dissonance.

This is a problem when discussing race issue for example where POC come from an entirely different thought process, where they don't expect punishement but being treated fairly. While there is call to punish, say guilty cops in the case of recent crisis, it's not about punishment or carthasis, but "fairness" aka nobody is above the laws, appealing to laws as a way to enforce respects they don't have days to day.

guilt is a fake concept when it comes down to it: punishment must be utilitarian and not just cathartic

This is just another way to dismiss claim on "emotion", while the context might not be what I pointed above and might not be what you intended to say, ultimately it's a good illustration to how we come to the emotion arguments when dealing with minority and group at risk.

[Schoq]

racism-spurred emotion from white jurors and judges is a major reason white criminals get less harsh punishment though

[s0]

punishment must be utilitarian

i dont agree with that. utilitarian punishment irrespective of guilt is what justifies torture, war crimes, genocides etc.

punishment should involve empathy

[Capntastic]

Rehabilitation and addressing the causes of crime is better than punishment

[s0]

eyup

[gimymblert]

What do you do when addressing the cause of crimes is simply plain sociopathy, what do we do with irreducible criminal (and how do we determine this), what do we do when the assessment of crime is actually wrong but we don't have the social consensus to understand it (like with criminalization of sexual tendency) or that a consensus in simply impossible to achieve due to having potential external sources yet direct harm (ex pedophilia is a like other orientations). Is erasing sexual tendency "rehabilitation"? I'm not sure we have thought a complete framework to handle the edge case, to my knowledge, it's like there is open philosophical question and practical impossibility.

[Schoq]

What do you do when addressing the cause of crimes is simply plain sociopathy,

lock up to keep the rest of society safe

it's not like there's a perfect method to the stuff you're bringing up because utilitarianism is a complex calculation in any case, but punishing just based on how some people feel they should be punished adds another complex layer of dumb to it for no good reason