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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2017, 05:39:13 PM »

I typed a nice response that violates basic human rights. I can't post it. Oh. Nvm. (ps I'm not angry, my response would have just been way too dark)
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2017, 05:52:04 PM »

I typed a nice response that violates basic human rights. I can't post it. Oh. Nvm. (ps I'm not angry, my response would have just been way too dark)
I went to modify my post and accidentally killed it. Oh well, that branch of conversation will forever exist in our minds.
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2017, 05:56:33 PM »

Alright. I have a reasonable version.

Let's say there's an impossible disease. You will die in 1 month, and you know it. The people who aren't prepared for this feeling take drastic actions.

My old version had short but realistic examples, and medical practices, and education flaws. I think this one is ok.
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2017, 06:44:09 PM »

Let's say there's an impossible disease. You will die in 1 month, and you know it. The people who aren't prepared for this feeling take drastic actions.

prepared
1. Made ready, fit or suitable beforehand
2. Having made preparations
3. Equipped or prepared with necessary intellectual resources
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2017, 07:20:09 PM »

Yeah. I meant being prepared to feel like you'll die in one month.

Believing you'll live forever is unsafe for everyone.


edit: So the premise of this line of thought might require the reader to understand that life experiences change our way of thinking. The earlier things occur the harder they are to pinpoint. I wanted to clear that up.

Many children have near-death experiences ( they almost die accidentally ) before they remember and they're able to brush them off, but if they consider harming another they recognize that brush with death as value. Although that may not stop them from behaving irrationally, that would stop them from thinking death is a remarkable feat.

Telling people they can't die sounds nice but the practice is provably malicious and false. It's a bad thing, until someone is dying, and you know you need to tell them they'll be fine.

Maybe the best point is balance. When ? leans too far on a linear graph there is imbalance. Discovering how to widen the variance (how far ? can lean) is the Western ideal, to support more ? in either direction ( I need to figure out the word for ? now). To keep balance is yinyang (Eastern) philosophy, I adapted it, sorry if I did badly.
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« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2017, 04:41:37 AM »

It doesn't have to be believing you'll live forever (religion is not the only way to give meaning to life, and therefore death). The point is, we can help each other cope. It isn't usually the threat of death that causes people to break down, it is facing the threat of death alone (people are much braver in a group, we are biologically built that way).

The problems we have aren't ones of entropy, they are of social neglect and irresponsibility. We let things carry on badly for so long that one problem just creates another, one evil (cruelty, exploitation, whatever you want to throw in there) creates another.

Another way of thinking about it is if we think of it as just entropy then we really should just accept it, treat it as expected destructiveness that comes as the fallout of being productive, and carry on business as usual. Why change your behavior or the behavior of others if you believe at least some are doomed to it (which is largely what it would imply)? Actually, we have too many people thinking that way in some sense or another now and that is a large part of the problem.

Because it is all the product of social neglect, irresponsibility, we have an obligation to address the problem. Even if you want to throw morals aside, for our own survival and well-being as a species we have an obligation to address the problem. There are a reason so many people are out there struggling to change things and to improve the lives of others, we feel that need at our core.

It is when that need for compassion (either giving or receiving) is suppressed (by ourselves or others) that we lash out and the worst of humanity comes to the fore. If you look at what the feeling of "love" really does, it defeats physical selfishness, it overrides the fear of death and physical loss in favor of emotional attachment. The most prepared you can be for death is knowing you are leaving the lives you've touched in a better state when yours has come to an end, knowing you are loved and will be remembered. It's very likely the reason you can find happy children in a cancer ward, the place you'd least expect to find it. They are closer to death than any but many of them are also very emotionally supported.



In all fairness, though, obviously I am not any kind of authority on the subject or such. This is all just my opinion of course. However, I do think it is one of those things that if you carefully look at human behavior overall and what we know about our biology it is pretty observable. Also, I don't think you are necessarily wrong to come at the subject from the angle you are because if you don't ask questions from all angles you might be leaving something very important out of the overall view of the situation and circumstances. So whether I agree with you or not, at the worst you are just making me think about the subject and that is not so bad.
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2017, 11:25:24 AM »

Alright I'll suggest some pre-existing things and I know that without perfect imbalance it can't work.

1. Everyone should have the decision, and personal rights, what to do with their own life.
2. Every country should be in debt so they can't be bought out by a larger country (during Capitalism era).
3. A system external to domestic social interaction that is too complicated to function is necessary, so everyone's ideas are valid, but don't overtake Capitalism.
4. People need to know these things exist and stop fighting.

#4 Is where social interaction would naturally tighten and put pressure on #1, because the system is pretty easy. What people often choose to do is seek out a variety of time-wasting activities, somehow forgetting, possibly because they want to forget, and then their children never know (1-4).

#3 basically means even if what you want to do is pointless to everyone else, there must be some way to support it.

#2 erases country borders, but it doesn't erase danger.

#1 means that you have the right to be what you

How to convert people who have no choice into people who have a choice without changing what they know?

You can convert people who have a choice to people without a choice by not teaching them. (removing #4 doesn't erase 1-3, but radically changes world views)

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So uhh.  Booker Dewitt sure is killing a lot of racists?
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2017, 08:09:58 AM »

Walks up nonchalant and tries to eat something you have. ( Chaotic Neutral )

Why you not give it? (Neutral)

Give me that food. It is nutritious, you are full, it will rot before you are hungry again. (lawful neutral)



You won't give me that banana (edited because apples aren't worth it)? I am stronger than you. ( Lawful evil )

Hold ears back looking sad. (Chaotic Good)
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2021, 12:52:56 PM »

Now that we have context what are we gonna do, with it? Give banana.
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2021, 04:06:14 PM »

The internet has become a lot friendlier looking recently, I'm not sure why.

Nobody ever died just for posting on the internet, in any web location.

When Elon Musk turns his automated car business into a functioning model, and confirms his village can run, I am fully willing to have sex with all the female liaisons from here to starbase the long way, not through any high speed tunnel, where they can check if there's anything that needs fixing, and maybe straighten out my pinky knuckle, because there's no way I'm taking time off until my next doctor appointment.

I need some way to stay motivated. What else could I be thinking about while running, for exercise, for 10 years, without much going on in my head?
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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2021, 07:15:50 PM »

Applied entropy. I can't even recognize my thoughts from what I'm reading in this topic currently.
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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2021, 05:45:28 AM »

Wishful thinking

The first thing I'd probably do is a system analysis, which may just require me to read what gets done on paper. It's a given I'll be theorizing, all the time. Why things are done the way they're done tends to matter to me, so I don't consider myself an efficiency expert, it's a big part of being a game designer.

If I'm given an open schedule to keep working like I'm doing already, then I'd still spend time examining whether there's something missing from the environment, because I'm a bit of a nitpicker to begin with.

When I've been in a completely homeostatic mood in the past, I've worked entire days, and I've encouraged other people to. But now I've certainly experienced the downside when the environment turns against you.

And if there's time to be spent around groups of people the primary issue is my energy level will shift until I get used to being around people, so I'll be anxious a bit and eventually I'll be more relaxed. But I never really quite learn to behave or speak in the same way as people around me, so it's like I'm a constant observer and only rarely a participant.

I get turned on really easy being around real women, so I hope fraternizing is encouraged.

I dislike getting paid in general, so the purpose is not to have a really cushy job. I'd want to expand my horizons, appreciate being around real people, and if I haven't finished the lineup of video games I have planned already, I'd work on those of course. My purpose has not changed just because my health has thrown a wrench into the mix a few times.

Why YouTube keeps recommending Elon Musk videos and no Google videos is a mystery to me. I'm too lewd right?
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