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[gimymblert]

A real question, this time:

If this is Metroid II's remake thread, why is a Super Metroid control scheme/issues debate going on?

Because of the free aiming control scheme of returns

[Glyph]

Sorry, I've been posting on forums where long-winded conversations are more common so I might have got carried away.

[J-Snake]

So what do you guys think about the 360-aim, any pros or cons?

[JWK5]

I find the debate between the original and remake kind of silly. If you compare the NES Castlevania games to say, Symphony of the Night, the controls of the two can not really be compared and are not interchangeable because the design of each is benefited by the different style of control they were designed around. Castlevania (NES) is all about precision timing while SotN is all about mobility.

I feel with the Metroid 2 (and more so with Super Metroid) versus Samus Returns this is also the case. Metroid 2/Super Metroid put more emphasis on precision (which 2D platformers of the time often did) while Samus Returns puts more emphasis on mobility and they have a distinct difference in the way they control because it suits the change in design focus.

One is not necessarily better than the other (in a general sense) unless you are trying to argue say, in a more specific manner, would Super Metroid controls be better in Samus Returns? In which case I'd say no, the mobility-based design doesn't really suit them. However the same is true on the flip side, Samus Returns controls do not really suit the tight-knit pecision design of Super Metroid.

[Schoq]

If sotn is about mobility why does it retain the awful knockback on hit which locks you into a helpless arch until you hit solid ground two seconds later

[JWK5]

I didn't say it was perfect.

[J-Snake]

Super Metroid put more emphasis on precision

In SM you are an overpowered tank and can get away with many missteps. SM motivates to "outpower" a handicap rather than "outplay" it. How does it emphasize precision?

[gimymblert]

If sotn is about mobility why does it retain the awful knockback on hit which locks you into a helpless arch until you hit solid ground two seconds later

Challenge? don't get hit, git gud

[gimymblert]

Super Metroid put more emphasis on precision

In SM you are an overpowered tank and can get away with many missteps. SM motivates to "outpower" a handicap rather than "outplay" it. How does it emphasize precision?

I think you answered your question, limited aiming direction does that which mean precise placement to get the right line of fire, which mean less mobility (be at teh right place) which mean more leniency on misstep (you can't dodge and aim at the same time) which IMHO mean more observation of the environment (where I should be, what are the movement pattern of enemy) rather than pure reaction (the enemy is flashing, time to push counter).

[Squire Grooktook]

If sotn is about mobility why does it retain the awful knockback on hit which locks you into a helpless arch until you hit solid ground two seconds later

I think the knockback is just to give a sense of visceral impact and brutality to enemy attacks, more than anything else. I can't recall many times in the game where it actually mattered to survival. It's more of a "feel" thing.

[Schoq]

I can recall many times it was annoying as fuck

[J-Snake]

Super Metroid put more emphasis on precision

In SM you are an overpowered tank and can get away with many missteps. SM motivates to "outpower" a handicap rather than "outplay" it. How does it emphasize precision?

I think you answered your question, limited aiming direction does that which mean precise placement to get the right line of fire

SM bosses are big and hard to miss, wildlife outside that serves atmosphere and not combat purposes. Everything is designed to account for a big margin of error.

[s0]

y cant metroid crawl

[J-Snake]

So any opinions about the 360-aim? It is the first time for the side-scroller.

[ProgramGamer]

Well, it takes focus away from movement and towards combat. It's good for when you want to aim at a specific thing, but it forces the combat to center around it. The rhythm of the game is very much "run forwards, stop, aim at a thing and shoot it, resume running". I enjoyed the game for that, but I can see how people who were expecting something more along the lines of Super Metroid would be disappointed.

I've actually been replaying SM since I got a SNES Classic recently. I'm finding that SM is much more focused on atmosphere and execution than Samus Returns, but SR's focus on making everything easy to execute makes exploration feel much more carefree. SM feels oppressive, claustrophobic and intricate, while SR feels more more confident and positive.

They're both good games imo, but they're certainly very different, which can lead people preferring one over the other.

[Alevice]

i havent played the 3ds remake but it seems like a sperfluous additon to me

[JutsBeaumont]

SM bosses are big and hard to miss, wildlife outside that serves atmosphere and not combat purposes. Everything is designed to account for a big margin of error.

This sentence was good until you said "everything is designed to account for a big margin of error". Not because it may or may have any element of truth to it, but because I think it's completely besides the point. Conventional enemy/combat structures are not the frame of reference to use when approaching this game.

So any opinions about the 360-aim? It is the first time for the side-scroller.

its not good

[J-Snake]

Well, it takes focus away from movement and towards combat. It's good for when you want to aim at a specific thing, but it forces the combat to center around it. The rhythm of the game is very much "run forwards, stop, aim at a thing and shoot it, resume running". I enjoyed the game for that

Imagine you would have the left thumb for moving and the right thumb for aiming (and play it with a xbox360-like gamepad) so that you could do both at the same time. What are your opinions on how it would add or subtract to this particular game (or a possibly similar one designed around this control mechanics)?

[s0]

samus returns plays like a twin stick shooter with 1 stick