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« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2019, 07:20:47 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: August 11, 2019, 08:20:39 PM »

Thanks! Definitely going to be playing around with the pausing in relation to evidence, as you suggest it maybe feels a bit too safe right now. The other argument is that I will probably want to include a lot of flavour text in the various documents and clues you find, and I wouldn't want the player to be put off reading that because of the stealth element.

Game option, IMO  Smiley If the player wants the extra tension you can keep it on (it can be on by default as well), but both arguments have merit so hey - roll with both. Plus pause-for-reading would be real helpful for people who might take longer to read it. My dyslexic friends would appreciate that a bunch.

Anyway - this project really is something. The scope of it blows my mind, and I look forward to it.
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« Reply #82 on: September 06, 2019, 06:49:05 AM »

I’ve been working on quite an exciting new feature for Shadows this month: Procedurally generated ventilation shafts! If you don’t play many games then that might sound incredibly boring, but to any seasoned FPS or immersive sim player then hopefully that sounds excellent.

One of the biggest things missing from the gameplay right now is multiple ways to get in and out of locations: The choice-driven stealth gameplay I’m shooting for requires that the player is given a choice in how to infiltrate their places of interest. Before this update, there was only the front door, and in the future, there will be yet more options including fire escapes and windows. But one of the biggest tasks on my to-do list was these air ducts that the player can crawl through to get places they shouldn’t.

Originally the ducts appeared on the exterior of buildings by accident, but I figured they looked way too cool to get rid of.

Previously in the project, I briefly toyed with having a more realistic air duct system as described in this article. I have kept a few issues in mind, although in the end, I decided to prioritize gameplay over realism- and with that, I decided to leave my air ducts at the mercy of procedural generation. The air ducts are completely procedurally generated within each building. Even if two or more share a similar floor plan then the shaft system within each will still be completely different, and your infiltration routes and options will be different too.

Going into the technical side of things a little: Basically, in the configuration settings I have for each room, I’ve added range variables for how many air vents can be added. For example, a bathroom might have one, or a kitchen, but less likely a lounge area. So when the rooms are generated they will also look for a place to put an air vent; often in the ceiling but sometimes high up on a wall or (less likely) closer to ground level on a wall. So now we’ve got all the points where we want the vents to be in the building.

Next up I map all the available space that the ducts can use. Mostly this is the space between ceiling and floors, but it can also cover spaces inside maintenance closets and even space outside the building. Now I have this space mapped out and the points I need to connect, I can simply use an A* pathfinding routine to connect points together- this becomes the path of the ducts. With every path calculation, I can weight already-placed ducts so the game won’t create air ducts which run immediately parallel to each other.

This is what the duct system looks like minus room and building models.

As with the walls/floors/ceilings, I have a different model for each possible turn/junction of duct- this is how it’s possible to create them. They all share the same material within unity, so I can easily combine them together to form one model and keep performance high.

It’s working really nicely! When inside the player can freely climb up and down vertical duct sections too. One last thing that I need to work on (aside from a couple of misc wall bugs) is enabling ducts to be discovered and mapped on the minimap. It would be cool to maybe be able to discover blueprints that map out the ducts and vents of the whole building- adding incentive to research your places of interest before infiltration.


Anyways, that’s it for this update. Progress is going nicely on the game- next up is a focus on improving the AI some more and fleshing out the side mission I showed off a few weeks back. Stay tuned for more soon!
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« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2019, 07:49:11 AM »

Wow,
I love the mood, i watched your 20mn video to see more of the game and i'm impressed !
A short question, do you plan to extend the gameplay area ?

Anyway, bravo !
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« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2019, 09:48:29 AM »

ahhhh the duct crawling system is such a cool addition Kiss Kiss Kiss
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« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2019, 10:45:45 AM »

Wow this game looks absolutely incredible  Addicted

Honestly what caught my eye were the stunning visuals, I don't think I ever saw such a unique style in a game before..There are a few pixel art/voxel 3d games but this is something else, the only game I can think of right now is The Last Night, a game which was announced a while back and had such a striking style.

The Gameplay though is as unique as the style! I watched the 20 min demo you've uploaded and really enjoyed it.
I have a couple takeaways and questions about the demo, I know the game is heavily in development and the demo doesn't represent the final quality but I'm just curious.

  • It currently looks like the only way to solve a case is to use brute force, break into every suspects apartment and try to find the "smoking gun", are there plans to expand on the "mystery" part of it? Like will we get certain motives (that aren't always black and white)? Maybe a system where you gain evidence slowly about each suspect and have a percentage towards who is most likely the right one, and report him or anything of that sort.
  • I think the quality of the content is the most important thing in a procedural generated game, I would really love to see more variety in cases, locations, people, stealth mechanics and constant progress towards some goal in the story.
  • Getting caught looks right now very forgiving, in the demo you opened the door and it took the AI some time to figure out what even happened, I feel like if you didn't take enough cautious steps and got caught you should be immediately punished or have a little small window of opportunity to escape.


The game is honestly something special, I love reading about the progress you make and of course the final product is a definite buy.
If you plan any play testing for it I would love to be in that queue. Smiley
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« Reply #86 on: November 23, 2019, 07:51:37 AM »

Wow,
I love the mood, i watched your 20mn video to see more of the game and i'm impressed !
A short question, do you plan to extend the gameplay area ?

Anyway, bravo !
Michel-ange MERINO

Yes definitely, at the moment it's quite unoptimized so it makes sense to playtest in a smaller area so I can get in and out the game quickly. In the final thing, I'm aiming for around 60 different buildings on the map.

ahhhh the duct crawling system is such a cool addition Kiss Kiss Kiss

Thanks! Probably one of my favourite additions so far :D

Wow this game looks absolutely incredible  Addicted

Honestly what caught my eye were the stunning visuals, I don't think I ever saw such a unique style in a game before..There are a few pixel art/voxel 3d games but this is something else, the only game I can think of right now is The Last Night, a game which was announced a while back and had such a striking style.

The Gameplay though is as unique as the style! I watched the 20 min demo you've uploaded and really enjoyed it.
I have a couple takeaways and questions about the demo, I know the game is heavily in development and the demo doesn't represent the final quality but I'm just curious.

  • It currently looks like the only way to solve a case is to use brute force, break into every suspects apartment and try to find the "smoking gun", are there plans to expand on the "mystery" part of it? Like will we get certain motives (that aren't always black and white)? Maybe a system where you gain evidence slowly about each suspect and have a percentage towards who is most likely the right one, and report him or anything of that sort.
  • I think the quality of the content is the most important thing in a procedural generated game, I would really love to see more variety in cases, locations, people, stealth mechanics and constant progress towards some goal in the story.
  • Getting caught looks right now very forgiving, in the demo you opened the door and it took the AI some time to figure out what even happened, I feel like if you didn't take enough cautious steps and got caught you should be immediately punished or have a little small window of opportunity to escape.


The game is honestly something special, I love reading about the progress you make and of course the final product is a definite buy.
If you plan any play testing for it I would love to be in that queue. Smiley


All these things are true, it's just that early on in development that those things simply aren't in yet. Thanks :D
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« Reply #87 on: November 23, 2019, 07:52:56 AM »

I'm trying to transition over to recording video dev blogs, here's the first one:



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« Reply #88 on: November 24, 2019, 03:20:42 PM »

OMG! I am so freaking hyped for this game! Keep doing what you're doing man. Grin
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« Reply #89 on: November 24, 2019, 03:25:32 PM »

So cool!! Kiss
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« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2019, 05:01:39 PM »

This is ace stuff! I can´t wait to give it a shot.
I haven´t played FPS games for more than a decade as it all feels the same with a different coat.

Here you have an unique take on the format and also great aesthetics.
Keep it up and keep those videos flowing! Wink
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« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2019, 07:21:16 PM »

Hey just found this, looks amazing. I've always wanted to play more first-person sim-like stuff but I'm not into like gritty cyberpunk or stuff like that. This looks great!
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« Reply #92 on: December 07, 2019, 01:30:59 PM »

My next video update is here! I talked about the UI stuff I've been working on in this one. Plus you can now draw moustaches on people.



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« Reply #93 on: January 02, 2020, 11:56:29 AM »

Happy new year! For this update, I figured I'd look back at last year's roadmap and evaluate where the game is, and where it's going this year.


This time last year was a weird time for the project. After a rush to get the game into a playable state by Xmas, I took a long hard look at it. I spent the bulk of last year's roadmap post talking about how the game was lacking cohesion and frankly felt underbaked and not fun. Something had to change, the game wasn't suddenly going to become more fun by just ploughing through like I had been doing (out of blind hope and optimism more than anything).

I've reached these points in projects before, where you have to merge your hopeful, ambitious plans with what's realistic, workable, and most importantly, fun. To start the year, I decided on some crucial changes: Specifically, the management angle just wasn't cutting it (why leave it to other detectives to do fun detective stuff). So that was ditched in favour of making the project a purely player-driven game. Stealth was to be the new driving gameplay mechanic that created peril and made things exciting.

Turns out that was the right move, as this immediately removed a lot of janky complexity and allowed me to focus on what this game has ended up becoming: A stealth game where you break into places you shouldn't in search of clues and information. This substantial pivot as first described in the January blog post was much more work than I realised at the time of writing however, as almost all my targets were pushed back. In fact, last year's roadmap reads more like this year's. This is not uncommon in gamedev though: It's so hard to predict timescales. Something you thought was going to be quick takes ages and vice versa. More frequently than that though, the little bits that you barely ration time for, end up piling up and taking large chunks of your time.

It's not all doom and gloom though, the game is lightyears ahead of where it was this time last year. Not only is it properly playable now, but it's also fun and extremely atmospheric. I've got a much more solid idea of what it is and what needs to be done now, and the development progress is gaining a lot of momentum. Most of the more complex systems are functional, and the development itself is easier-going as a result. The project has entered the fun phase of development; where the things you've worked hard on are coming together and you frequently catch glimpses of the fruits of your labour.

2019 was the year this project progressed from a collection of vague but cool ideas into something real and playable. I'm really pleased about that, as this project in the early days was tough going— there were several times I almost chose to ditch it in favour of something simpler.

Here's what actually happened in response to my plans at the start of the year, goal-by-goal:

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Switch the project to unity’s HDRP.
I did this! It went smoothly and took about as long as I thought it would. In December I updated to the latest HDRP/Unity version and it's looking better than ever. Success!




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To make the stealth interesting, I need to start thinking more about the environments. Rooms and buildings need multiple entrances and exits (think air vents, windows, fire escapes etc). I’ve got plans to overhaul the generation of interiors that I’m super excited about.
Mostly did this. Air vents are in, but that's about the only alternate entrance/exit. Most of Q1 was spent working on the last sentence— refactoring the way the game handles environments. I ended up making a pretty nifty floor editor along with procedurally generated interiors, an essential addition to the game, which was well worth the time. This took up the remaining quarter though, and I didn't get the fire escapes or windows as entrances/exits done.

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I want to get a Steam page up as soon as possible.
I did this one, although it arrived after Q1. I wanted to at least have some gameplay to show before I set up a page.

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April 4th: Rezzed 2019. I’d love to demo the game at Rezzed, but getting something presentable enough to demo in time will be very tough.
Didn't manage this, getting something decent by April 2019 was a tough ask and I'm glad I didn't try and rush anything. Knowing the state of the game in Q1 last year, it would have ended up a mess. I'm pleased to say the game is in a much better position this year though, and we're thinking of demoing at Rezzed 2020! (Btw Rezzed is an indie-focused game show in London for those who aren't familiar).

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Expansion of citizen models and visuals; there’s a tonne of data being simulated but none of it is visual right now because I only have 1 basic character model.
I've been holding off on this one for ages, as the plan was to hire someone to make character models. As the funding we need for this hasn't materialised, we've still got the basic models and (lack of) animation from this time last year. The characters are starting to feel off as they're so far behind the fidelity of the rest of the game. There's a decent chance they are improved before demoing at Rezzed this year.

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Expansion of exterior models- there’s only 1 building model in the game at present.
No other buildings yet, but I've been working on getting the framework for them right. I'll be looking at adding new buildings very soon, and I'm quite excited about it! A fail though in terms of my goals.

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Expansion of AI behaviors. What I have is a decent foundation, but I need to work on their routines to give the player more interesting stories to discover.
The AI has been expanded a lot since this time last year, in fact, they've been completely rewritten. They are much more dynamic and react to the player properly making stealth possible, although they are still very janky. Big improvements but nowhere near a finished state.

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December 2019: First early access version. This is a best-case scenario, but it’s something that I’m going to be aiming for. I’m not going to force this one- I won’t release anything that I’m not happy with or something that’s unplayable.
I knew this was very optimistic even at the time, but December seemed like such a long way away! Not in 2019, but dare I say early access in late 2020 is looking a little more realistic? No promises or I'll have to write my 2021 roadmap as apologetically as this one!



There are loads of 'smaller' completed features I didn't write about in last year's post though: Revamped UI, procedurally decorated apartments, performance optimizations, elevators—  the list is extensive.

So what's the 2020 roadmap?

Quarter 1 2020

Polish up the game with the goal of presenting it at Rezzed in London at the end of March. This means fixing bugs, adding a couple of smaller features and brining stuff that's 'half-way done' up to 'pretty much done'. Get some more content in there, hopefully, some new characters models and animations along with more environmental items and at least 1 new building to make the city more varied.

Quarter 2 2020

Flesh out the gameplay features. CCTV, hacking, tracing phone calls. Foundations of the skill systems and progression. Cool detective stuff that opens up the gameplay.

Quarter 3 2020

By this point, I should know if early access by the end of the year is feasible. If it is then it will be a case of adding content throughout this quarter until I feel we have something that's worth your time and money.

If we are able to hit early access this year, the first build will likely feature the first story mission (already done but not polished), or 2 plus a nearly-complete sandbox experience. By that, I mean enough varied side missions and incentives to progress skills/items. There's a couple of cool ideas that I've kept under wraps in terms of what the player can progress towards, but I'll write about that another time instead of spoiling it here.

Quarter 4 2020

Gearing up for EA. Polishing, fixing bugs and adding minor content. Playtesting. IF we don't hit EA this year, we should by this point at least have a pretty solid date in mind for when that's achievable.

That caps off my new roadmap, and I'm feeling pretty good about 2020! Don't forget to wishlist the game on Steam if you haven't already, and head on over to our Discord server too.
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« Reply #94 on: January 14, 2020, 06:26:53 AM »

Good year for this game! You've done well! Best of luck with your goals for this year too. Coffee Definitely made a good call with the stealth focus as it looks like such an interesting game to play. I too do think that varied character models would be neat to get in place soon.
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