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« on: October 23, 2018, 06:24:54 AM »

There's a tldr conclusion at the end, enjoy.

I think all the information I've been researching about hidden tutorials in games has become a fundamental form of pedagogy, separate but not too different from the basic intro, body, conclusion formulae of a school textbook.

The four step story design is just a fundamental, and I've done much writing to describe the progress of a game after relearning this.

The teaching sequence of the story format described for games in various media are : introduce, explore, test, conclude.
The primary sequence of school textbook examples is : introduce the lesson, introduce the chapter, segment the chapter into sections, conclude, review... a few days later you get a test... a few days later you get a grade.
The primary sequence of a written document we're trained to be comfortable with writing in school are: intro, body, conclusion

Here are some notes I took while watching videos:
4 [] design? Looks like it's the way people naturally learn, determine information is useful, and feel good they remembered. - paraphrased from Mark Brown

THE 4 STEPS IN VARIOUS PHRASES
STEP 0.8 - courtesy of the hero's journey

passive unmotivated character development
1 do what you're told...
2 avoid danger
3 live within your means

STEP 1
1 become aware  
2 informed
3 introduced directly to a change
4 explore
STEP 2
1 gather information
2 gather things
3 get better
4 practice
5 granted many tries in quick succession
6 escalation

STEP 3
1 show you understand
2 knowledge of the world, system, mechanics
3 exploit
4 a twist
5 another change
6 all prior knowledge required now
7 extend step 2

STEP 4
1 final
2 exterminate a danger
3 back to rest
4 extend step 3

4 TYPES OF QUEST
introduce
expansion - gather... things or information
understanding - interact, defend
execution - kill quests


KI SHOU TEN KETSU
concept / hook
challenge iteration
test understanding with a twist
finish

4 RTS (ok this came from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6luOrhlzvrc?)
explore
expand
exploit
exterminate

4 STEP MECHANIC
explore
introduce
make difficult
test


4 ?
explore
understand
leverage
bring together


info courtesy of:
a bunch of 1-1 mario videos like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2wGpEZVgE?

Mark Brown: His channel has... much related info
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBmIkEvEBtA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHcE6B4OP4?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7daTGyVZ60I?

(edit1)the 4x rts reference came from another video I couldn't find right away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6luOrhlzvrc?

redundant school textbooks (Huh?)

tldr; The four step design is similar to textbook examples. But utilizes interaction and testing and feedback deliberately with accute directness and accuracy not available to schools, causing game pedagogy to heighten the natural learning rate, with almost no human failure rate.  This also makes it pretty damn obvious games teach players, and they teach them versatility.

afterword
I went on to learn more resources describing escalating mechanics, versatility, etc. But I think I actually reached the point I can't learn anything more, and I've taken the four steps and molded them like 4X gameplay from my notes several times. If anyone has a question or some interesting info about the four step design, please comment.

please feel free to comment or criticize, I don't have anything to add atm... so you'll give me an excuse to respond
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2019, 07:55:34 AM »

Learning methods! A highly opinionated take on art science and the media condensed into a somewhat persuasive outline, read at your own risk.

Hey so I thought I'd add something I thought of recently. I was starting to use flash cards and acknowledge the rote practice quickly drained me after not studying for a long time. Although this post I don't talk about video games nearly enough I'm getting back into trying to understand how learning creates a bottleneck slowing progress, other stimuli may as well, but the subject here is learning. Ultimately how can I use it as a means of enhancing the player's perception? One day that could be answered.  This is more like a brainstorm session

I only have two answers,
1 media introduces someone to a subject, and they decide if they like it based on That Media. It's pure psychological warfare, devoid of reality, until they decide if they want to take a risk and look into it.

2 Dilemma: there's this new thing my brain can't recognize. I can't stand it longer than 2 minutes without a break. My life depends on it, and it changes nothing. Solution: Pacing and common ground is crucial, common ground is simple as stopping to rest or more complex like flow state.

Now for a bunch of details for anyone interested in my self reflection that brought me to the above statement.

-=define
learning - psychology. a semi-permanent change in behavior.
...your body or brain changes, so you learned something, and you can change it back or temporarily lose any evidence of change, that is the hidden meaning.

There are only two halves of learning I will address, Introductory and various methods that'll inevitably improve mastery

Methods of learning?


Introductory (or freeform): getting handed a mnemonic landmark you build off later

meme (aka random)- references scattered around media, can be iconic phrases, or styles, or various plot devices and themes of a story without a coherent linearity (I'm thinking of that hare* video).  A meme is like pasting someone's head on different bodies and seeing how fast one person's opinion will change.

art - 1 intentionally non-pragmatic, or unintuitive uses of a subject, resulting in imperfect models and tools. 2 the individual's expression of a subject master or not.

story (like, a movie or book) - influential, mnemonic, or emotional context of a subject is derived passively
... active participation like talking or playing a game involves mastery, it's even challenging for the people to participate in group activities this way, but I'm thinking it's a good introduction method


Mastery: as a goal oriented process, it involves gathering information of a subject, studying, playing, and practicing until the only challenge that remains is finding new information often succeeded by art

experienced learning - multiple introductions, information gathering, and exploitation of what you found (this is also )

practice method - there is a predetermined goal, reach said goal, rest, and repeat for a brief time (recommended limit max 40 minutes session, 240 minutes per day)

group (aka academic) - involves other participants with adequate preparation

science - develop or discover tools to accomplish a goal with greater ease, or fewer steps. may art


*hare video, hare of Inaba. I was thinking about if this could be a storied learning, and I concluded that in a patchwork pattern like this lacking coherence, it is essentially a modern meme.  Random elements of a story resembles real life more closely, memes trigger iconic memory, it's an anti-story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M53mGySTDN4?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2019, 07:26:17 AM »

Fun. This is sort of an induced state of mind. Dopamine is the main culprit.

Here's my recent example: I'm doing rote practice to memorize vocabulary.
day 1
 I can currently tell if that faculty while practicing runs out of energy, my thoughts slow like a climber resting, and begin slipping back down a hill. There's no sensation in my mind, only a lack of motion.

day 5
 After repetition and resting without being too forceful I've built up mental fortitude. It feels like during, my energy increases, this must be a dopamine hit, and for a brief moment I had a sense of accomplishment that could be called fun. The desire to continue was there but I am forming a pattern of rest to help coax out more energy.

Theory: a rather large amount of dopamine could press beyond fun to a compulsive behavior.

So I don't recall much experience in this, but this is the type of pacing that a healthier mind will self-regulate, gaining/losing interest, preparing for another dopamine hit. A younger person's mind on alpha waves is restful until they're alerted. Adult beta waves are more awake, and if they can go on and on without rest or thankless during success, there's a significant benefit to positive external factors, like a coach, or personal experience regulating the pace.

In the early games, famous examples are 'too easy' and it's closer to this truth than anyone but an expert designer will realize. When player loses all lives and continues in the old arcade-like games, no new input can be acquired, even if the player ran full speed the next new thing is minutes away after complete failure.  During early levels the challenge is bare bones, most pragmatic approaches are only concerned with the new, meaning hidden secrets aren't even a blip on the radar, or how the game's inner workings are less than realistic.

The experience is altered from... experience, and the inner working of our mind.
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