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[Will Sykes]

Something that has been off putting to me about PC development for long time is that PC users may not have a gamepad. The fact is that some game concepts really don't work without a twin stick controller. Interestingly, in recent years the existence of the xbox 360 pad has made PC owners more likely to have a game pad and the situation may finally have changed to a point where developers make games for PC and target GamePad.

What does anyone think, should developers be making PC games which REQUIRE a gamepad or should they be forced to always support a keyboard option?

[Netsu]

You're limiting your player base if you require a gamepad. By allowing players to play with mouse+keyboard as an alternative (even if it's less intuitive and unwieldy) you make sure that everyone will be able to enjoy your game one way or another.
So up to you really.

[jiitype]

Well, Street Fighter IV is on PC and SFV is coming to PC too. It must be awful to play those on a keyboard, but I doubt a lot of people do that.

Skate series comes to mind, you can't play those games on a keyboard, so no PC releases. Would be interesting to waggle your mouse around to do tricks.

[woodsmoke]

Depends on the game. Browser games are often played on school computers with no gamepad.

Support keyboard if there is no analogue input.

[battlerager]

Well, Street Fighter IV is on PC and SFV is coming to PC too. It must be awful to play those on a keyboard, but I doubt a lot of people do that.

I know some. They don't get why people love fighting games 

Same folks that play Rocket League with a keyboard and feel disadvantaged.

[Will Sykes]

What if the game actually requires 2 analogue inputs? in this situation there are only 2 choices, don't make the game for PC or make the game but have it require gamepad. The question is: should one still make such a game?

[oahda]

What if the game actually requires 2 analogue inputs? in this situation there are only 2 choices, don't make the game for PC or make the game but have it require gamepad. The question is: should one still make such a game?

yes

[Nillo]

Do you have any example of a Steam game that *requires* twin sticks to the point where it literally cannot be played on a kb+m setup?

I've heard of games that are designed with a controller in mind, but they still let you play on keyboard if you really wanted. Dark Souls and Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons are examples of this. Notably, both of these games achieved great success on Steam despite how it was almost necessary to own a gamepad.

[Will Sykes]

Do you have any example of a Steam game that *requires* twin sticks to the point where it literally cannot be played on a kb+m setup?

I've heard of games that are designed with a controller in mind, but they still let you play on keyboard if you really wanted. Dark Souls and Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons are examples of this. Notably, both of these games achieved great success on Steam despite how it was almost necessary to own a gamepad.

my game "perfect universe" is targeted at console (but I have decided to do a pc version). It is a collection of 9 games, 2 of which I really cant see a way to do with keyboard.

to explain why it cant really be done, in these game modes you control the legs of an alien directly (each analogue stick maps to a foot)
original prototype video here:





I am worried that not supporting keyboard may anger steam users and end up doing more damage than simply not being played by those without gamepads?

[ｂ∀ ｋｋｕｓａ]

couldn't it be done with awsd + arrow keys?

[Nillo]

That prototype video looks quite fun. I'd buy it

I think the key concern here is that you need to make sure everyone KNOWS it cannot be played without a gamepad. Both DkS and Brothers had giant warnings on the store page to ensure that players were aware of this. As long as you make sure this warning is seen, I don't think requiring a gamepad would be an issue.

[Will Sykes]

That prototype video looks quite fun. I'd buy it

I think the key concern here is that you need to make sure everyone KNOWS it cannot be played without a gamepad. Both DkS and Brothers had giant warnings on the store page to ensure that players were aware of this. As long as you make sure this warning is seen, I don't think requiring a gamepad would be an issue.

I have just posted a link to the original prototype if you would like to play it

http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=49442.0

( http://willsykesgames.com/Downloads/MrLegsPrototype.rar )

[starsrift]

I don't have a gamepad. *shrug*

[oahda]

get one
mouse/keyboard games are not real games
*shots fired*

[Cobralad]

they are art

[starsrift]

get one
mouse/keyboard games are not real games
*shots fired*

*at maximum condescension* I'm glad you have an opinion, princess.
/ shots fired back
// back at ya
/// shots fired back at ya
//// oh fuck I'm too old for this shit

[eyeliner]

If you consider yourself a gamer, I believe you have a gamepad.
Heck, you can get a basic gamepad for relatively cheap. There's no absolute need to get the XBOX/PS3/4 ones if you don't own the console.

[Nillo]

Yeah getting a gamepad is so cheap these days and it's incredibly useful for a variety of titles. I think anyone who is serious about PC gaming should own at least one. Preferably more than one if you plan on playing any sort of local multiplayer game.

[starsrift]

Yeah getting a gamepad is so cheap these days and it's incredibly useful for a variety of titles. I think anyone who is serious about PC gaming should own at least one. Preferably more than one if you plan on playing any sort of local multiplayer game.

Okay, convince me, bud.
Take into account that I've always, always been a PC gamer, never a console one. I like gamepads for driving sims (Need for Speed), and... and that's about it.

Why would I learn a new control scheme and conventions, and for what games, besides the vanishingly few number of games that "require" a gamepad, to play?
(And keep in mind that I don't play platformers).

[Nillo]

Okay, convince me, bud.
Take into account that I've always, always been a PC gamer, never a console one. I like gamepads for driving sims (Need for Speed), and... and that's about it.

Why would I learn a new control scheme and conventions, and for what games, besides the vanishingly few number of games that "require" a gamepad, to play?
(And keep in mind that I don't play platformers).

Y-you don't play platformers? That is an absolutely massive genre you're missing out on!

I'm not really a console gamer either. In fact I haven't bought any stationary console in the last 9 years since the launch of the Wii. The reason I got a gamepad initially was so I could play Dark Souls on PC. But after I purchased it, I came to realize that it's excellent for lots of other things (although I would argue it's still worth buying a gamepad just for Dark Souls alone). I've started using it for platformers, 3rd person adventures (Psychonauts is a big one), local multiplayer games, and when emulating console titles on the PC.

In general, I find it more comfortable to hold a gamepad. You can sit far away from the desk and still maintain full control of the game. It's not precise enough for FPS and RTS games, but I will happily switch to a KB+M setup for anything where the mouse precision is actually needed.