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[Alevice]

Actually anita already did some consultant work for bungie and other devs iirc

[jamesprimate]

apples to fucking space oranges man. she's a cultural critic doing exactly what she intended to do with almost machine-like force and consistency. whereas i cant for the life of me figure out what these guys want to accomplish, other than just to insinuate vague conspiracies. the whole thing seems to be to just to use the current cess pit to make themselves feel better about not "winning igf." its the goofiest thing i can imagine.

ive had 2 games as finalists in igf and didnt win either time, but you know what? thats because the games that won deserved it. id gladly lose another 10 times, idgaf.

[Nillo]

Actually anita already did some consultant work for bungie and other devs iirc

I wasn't aware of that, and it sounds cool. Still, I maintain that "if you don't like it why not make one yourself" is a very weak counter-argument to criticism and is essentially an ad hominem fallacy.

[jamesprimate]

and what criticism is that extactly?

[Nillo]

and what criticism is that extactly?

I don't know. I have no opinion about the IGF myself, and couldn't care less who is the winner of that prize and who isn't. I guess you'll have to ask someone else?

[Sik]

Actually anita already did some consultant work for bungie and other devs iirc

If that's indeed the case (disclaimer: I don't know) then that'd be a massive counterargument to those complaining that she has nothing to do with games.

[Schoq]

no because when feminists do anything in games they're "pushing an agenda" or "stealing the spotlight of fun games" so they can in fact never have any legitimate business in this artform no girls aloud

[SirNiko]

While telling people to do something themselves is weak criticism, actually doing that thing yourself is a very good solution to the problem, and far more effective than simply providing criticism.

[s0]

While telling people to do something themselves is weak criticism, actually doing that thing yourself is a very good solution to the problem, and far more effective than simply providing criticism.

people are already doing that so no issue there. even i try to be mindful of this stuff in my games even tho they're not explicitly political (tho i would like to try making a political gam in the future).

[Alevice]

Apparently it might not have been more consultant job than it was to present her work. I can barely find shit on google.

[Smilex]

So I see people shouting (mostly on Twitter) that I'm picking a side by being silent. I'm wondering, which side am I picking by being neutural (which is supposedly not possible)?
This is as frusterating to try and understand as quantum physics!

[Nillo]

So I see people shouting (mostly on Twitter) that I'm picking a side by being silent. I'm wondering, which side am I picking by being neutural (which is supposedly not possible)?
This is as frusterating to try and understand as quantum physics!

It could be argued that silence promotes the status quo, whatever the status quo may be. But yeah, I don't agree with that logic either. It's quite possible to pick no side, or even pick all sides at the same time (by agreeing with some points raised by each side and not others).

[Sik]

Generally, being neutral automatically puts you into whatever is considered the evil side for either party (welcome to politics!).

[pottering]

arguing against passivity is pretty common
(for a famous example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...)

in game dev people say: ideas are worthless, what counts is execution

in real life too, what counts is what you do, your actions, not what you have hidden from the world inside your head

[pottering]

also, "not moving" and "refusing to move when a friend tries to move you" are completely different situations

[jamesprimate]

howard zinn famously said "you cant be neutral on a moving train". either you are part of the momentum of change, or  the inertia holding it back.

it sucks though, doesnt it?

[Superb Joe]

what counts is execution

i will dispose of one tig source hostage every hour until my demands are met

[pottering]

"inertia" is an interesting argument to make it obvious to the math/science-minded how even doing absolutely nothing still affects any situation

[Leon Fook]

if we want to be neutral but have to choose side, i propose we choose outside, as in outside of this stuff.

people calling the neutral guy their "enemy" because they remain silent are basically the extremist they're all talking about.

[Faust06]

I don't typically pay much attention to ongoing shit-flinging in the gamer "culture" but I'm routinely surprised at how sad and pathetic it can get when I take a peek.

howard zinn famously said "you cant be neutral on a moving train". either you are part of the momentum of change, or  the inertia holding it back.

If we're explicitly saying the moving train represents feminism, that sounds about right - in the end, progressives win, culture doesn't remain stagnant. But how are we defining 'neutrality'; what are people neutral about? I'm one to think you either believe something or you don't, a conviction often disputed by self-proclaimed agnostics, but if one were to believe certain points from opposing 'camps', or find them ambiguous, I figure that could be 'neutral' - it's a label. I'd guess that isn't being on the 'wrong side' of things if ultimately you're feminist/egalitarian and chiming on threads every once in awhile, especially if twitter trash-talk is supposed to help 'move the train'. The quote reminds me of an MP whom, on the subject of reducing privacy online once said "you're either with the pedophiles or against them!", which is a bit of a false dilemma. Absolutist statements like that are usually suspect.

I don't understand the motivation for the atrocious treatment any of these ladies received. The only kind that makes sense is being a douche troll with no conscience about non-nonchalantly harassing others online over anything.