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[J-Snake]

Have just taken a look at actual gameplay and the way the protagonist overly voices everything turns him almost into a cartoon character. To be taken more seriously he should be more silent. It looks actually more gamey than psychologically
manipulative/thrilling, just like any other zombie shooting game.

[ｂ∀ ｋｋｕｓａ]

Have just taken a look at actual gameplay and the way the protagonist overly voices everything turns him almost into a cartoon character.

if i'm not wrong, it seems like an homage to the first Postal.  This game looks like an HD restylised version of postal.

[Nillo]

http://gamasutra.com/blogs/AlbertPalka/20150526/244229/Real_talk_with_Destructive_Creations_Hatred_interview.php

Let's talk about the main topic of our conversation - your game. When did you come up with an idea to make Hatred?
 
It's hard to say. It was probably when I got disappointed by Postal 2 which, due to its wicked humor, took a different direction from what I was hoping for. I won't deny that I like the sequel too, but for other reasons. Postal 1 was a serious game and it had that vibe that attracted me in some way. I think because of an urge to become an evil human being that you're not in the real life.
For years, the idea of making a "better" Postal 1 was slowly growing on me, although I've always put it at the end of my „ideas” list. However, when the opportunity to make my own arose I've decided that Hatred will be the best pick for my new company. The name itself and core mechanics were developed during the prototyping process.

[Christian Knudsen]

Politics and gameplay aside, I really like the look of the game. And, yeah, the moment when he crashes the cop car into the building is quite impressive.

[Alevice]

Credit where credit is due, the visuals and the physics for the crashes and explosions are really damn good. That said, that video gives the impression of a really mediocre/average game whose only really highlight is using a controversial setting.

Also the player character looks like a mediocre 90s nu metal singer, worse with all the fucks dropped just to sound mean

[vinheim3]

I'm curious how twitch are going to keep Hatred out without an AO rating though.

The game's physics, freedom and destructible environments look like a ton of fun, but the pacing seems a lot slower than similar action games we're used to like HM, so curious to see how they spice it up, and how they make it work. Can't believe it's almost out too

[Nillo]

I'm curious how twitch are going to keep Hatred out without an AO rating though.

IIRC they handwaved it by saying "We ban AO-rated games now, oh and also these games" then listing Hatred and a couple of others that don't have any official rating.

Of course, legally speaking Twitch can do whatever they want. They might have a PR problem on their hands if they implement bad rules but in the end it's their website and we can take it or leave it.

[Dragonmaw]

i doubt twitch is gonna have a pr problem for banning a few games nobody outside of gamergaters and whackjob right-wing fuckwits really cares about anyway

[Schoq]

gamergaters and whackjob right-wing fuckwits

this is redundant

[vinheim3]

Don't see how it makes you a whackjob, right-wing or fuckwit to appreciate a twin-stick shooter, especially after HM reinvigorated the genre and all the neat portable ones rising up

[Dragonmaw]

why are we talking about a bland twin stick shooter with ~gritty themez~

cant we talk about helldivers or halo topdown chief or whatever other bad twinstick games are out? there's a new geometry wars right?

helldivers is so so so good

Don't see how it makes you a whackjob, right-wing or fuckwit to appreciate a twin-stick shooter, especially after HM reinvigorated the genre and all the neat portable ones rising up

the point is that the only people who even give a shit about hatred are the same people who get angry about feminism or whatever progressive thing is getting backlash this particular minute, because those are the same people who "appreciate" a game like this rather than its various superior peers.

also saying that hotline miami reinvigorated the twin stick shooter genre is so incredibly wrong and bad. i love HLM but c'mon now

[vinheim3]

the point is that the only people who even give a shit about hatred are the same people who get angry about feminism or whatever progressive thing is getting backlash this particular minute, because those are the same people who "appreciate" a game like this rather than its various superior peers.

Nah, I'm sure there are a handful of us who enjoy twin-twick shooters a lot. I thought they died with the miniclip-era, until I picked up some on the vita and some smaller steam ones. And I don't think we need to restrict ourselves only to the best of each genre.

This doesn't really seem like something people against feminism or progressiveness would push, because video games haven't progressed to the point of maturity that literature and films have, which both showcase well-known pieces of art that have more controversial content iirc

[Dragonmaw]

i don't think we should restrict to the "best" of each genre either, my point is that

Don't see how it makes you a whackjob, right-wing or fuckwit to appreciate a twin-stick shooter, especially after HM reinvigorated the genre and all the neat portable ones rising up

is so fucking stupid when there are other twin-stick shooters not made by, you know, neo-nazis (or hardcore racial unity right-wing nationalists, if you want to be pedantic). and yes, the people promoting hatred are primarily right-wing fucks and the like.

Nah, I'm sure there are a handful of us who enjoy twin-twick shooters a lot. I thought they died with the miniclip-era, until I picked up some on the vita and some smaller steam ones. And I don't think we need to restrict ourselves only to the best of each genre.

twin stick shooter is one of my absolute favorite game genres (one of the few i actually dev games for) and even i'm not willing to buy a shitty neo-nazi genocide simulator.

on top of this, there are so, so, so many twin-stick shooters. it's one of the most consistently profitable and "alive" genres out there. how the fuck did you think they were dead?

basically hatred is not a cross worth dying on

[gimymblert]

gamespot just did a two hour video on the game

[s0]

This doesn't really seem like something people against feminism or progressiveness would push

but they do

hatred has become a symbol of faux "free speech" for the edgelord brigade

[Garrent]

The driving bits look like a lot of fun. Oh sorry apparently we're not allowed to have fun any more.

[FK in the Coffee]

I think video games have matured enough as a medium to be able to tackle mature, controversial themes, so long as it's not controversy for the sake of controversy. Hatred is exactly that, though, and to laud it for it's “bravery” or whatever is akin to applauding the Human Centipede series for “daring to be different.” I guess the fact that each are so repulsive is an achievement in its own right, but what's the point?

[Nillo]

the point is that the only people who even give a shit about hatred are the same people who get angry about feminism or whatever progressive thing is getting backlash this particular minute, because those are the same people who "appreciate" a game like this rather than its various superior peers.

So why are there so many articles about Hatred on Polygon? Is the site known for catering to people who are "angry about feminism"?

[vinheim3]

I think video games have matured enough as a medium to be able to tackle mature, controversial themes, so long as it's not controversy for the sake of controversy. Hatred is exactly that, though, and to laud it for it's “bravery” or whatever is akin to applauding the Human Centipede series for “daring to be different.” I guess the fact that each are so repulsive is an achievement in its own right, but what's the point?

Human Centipede was terrible because it was a terrible film, not because it was controversy for the sake of controversy. Manhunt was exactly that but still a very fun video game

This doesn't really seem like something people against feminism or progressiveness would push

but they do

hatred has become a symbol of faux "free speech" for the edgelord brigade

Which I personally find weird. Things like senseless killing and rape, things that are prominent or at least not demonized in other mediums, like in Pulp Fiction, would normally be promoted by people who care more about the progressiveness of video games into being considered an art form, rather than a children's toy where everything needs to be kept PG. It seems edginess takes a precedence over agenda for both sides. At this point, I think it's just 2 sides wanting to argue with each other. I won't say more, I'd like to see if the game is actually good at this point, the mechanics shown are inviting at least

[Dragonmaw]

the point is that the only people who even give a shit about hatred are the same people who get angry about feminism or whatever progressive thing is getting backlash this particular minute, because those are the same people who "appreciate" a game like this rather than its various superior peers.

So why are there so many articles about Hatred on Polygon? Is the site known for catering to people who are "angry about feminism"?

were you always this disingenuous?