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[joseph ¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

I'm not sure how an opinion piece on the opinion section of a magazine is super relevant to the discussion. It's not subject to any kind of editorial or academic rigors, it's just someone (a famously incendiary someone) arguing.

[Tazi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

[Blambo]

ok so

that means we can normalize rape right?

[Tazi]

ok so

that means we can normalize rape right?

oh god  

that's some high level demagogy.

[gimymblert]

"recorded offense" (aka reported)
No gender affiliated
Likely to be way higher

[Tazi]

Yes, and it also doesn't contains unsuccessful attempts. Still "0,5 of 1000" is far from 1/5, even if you take it x100. 1 out 5 can't be right, it's just propaganda, even if it's for a good cause.

[battlerager]

I actually agree with most of her points and greatly enjoy this series. Especially the "dead girlfriend / sister / wife" thing in an earlier video of hers is something that really pisses me off and is done to death (and beyond).

Just that obviously ridiculous statistic being thrown out there ticked me off.

[Tazi]

For anyone who would misunderstood my posts in the future, because they have the desire for splitting every single person into black and white groups ("sjw" & "mra"), here's some further explanation: They're not about "making rape a petty crime", they about "1/5 ratio being wrong".

[gimymblert]

Actually it seems the initial report was about "sexual aggression" not rape, but it got amplified. Just looking at women in the game industry this correction don't seem out of the chart.

Notice nobody call you on that! Also notice it does not lessen the problem.

Also nobody called anyone a mra directly in this thread, and the one who insulted got banned. We kind of tolerate anger from people who are actual direct target a bit more, but there is a general laissez faire and arguments oriented discussion.

BTW Sommers commit kind of the same crime she denounce in the article. When she says that american women are smart and informed, she didn't get the memo but a lot of women do complain, she is not backing this by any facts and stats either.
So we have to stay critical, she advance some facts, we need to check but then use that to jump to conclusion by inserting her baseless opinion.

[Blambo]

ok so

that means we can normalize rape right?

oh god  

that's some high level demagogy.

i guess the point is that regardless of its prevalence we shouldn't be encouraging it in culture. i didn't mean to just pop in without context and say something irrelevant.

[Nillo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Rape_rate_per_100%2C000_-_country_comparison_-_United_Nations_2012.png/1024px-Rape_rate_per_100%2C000_-_country_comparison_-_United_Nations_2012.png

An international comparison like this is very difficult to make, because the definition of rape varies greatly, and countries categorize sexual crimes in different ways. Something that is considered rape in Sweden might not even be a crime at all in another country, and each instance of rape is filed separately if a victim was raped more than once. I realize this is irrelevant to the point you were making, but I just want to point this out in case others in this thread were to take the chart at face value.

[Schoq]

High rape stats usually paradoxically means high equality because it means there's less stigma against reporting, and stricter laws and enforcement. The number of unreported cases in most cultures is estimated to be huge.

[gimymblert]

https://twitter.com/MorganRamsay/status/509066177658642432

Out of 65,950 articles published by the video-game press in Q1/Q2 2014, 0.44% talk about feminism, sexism, or misogyny.

[jamesprimate]

MIC DROP: http://laurie-penny.com/why-were-winning-social-justice-warriors-and-the-new-culture-war/

[gimymblert]

MIC DROP: http://laurie-penny.com/why-were-winning-social-justice-warriors-and-the-new-culture-war/

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/09/a-ship-sailed-into-port-on-bias-controversy-and-my.html

[jamesprimate]

no question. maddy is badass

[gimymblert]

Well but there is also:
- the female thor
- thor movie catering to female eyecandy
- all female ghostbuster reboot
- hunger games
- female lead sequel of minority report
- expandabelles
- etc ...
It's pretty much quantic superposition rather than a win

[MorganRamsay]

Out of 65,950 articles published by the video-game press in Q1/Q2 2014, 0.44% talk about feminism, sexism, or misogyny.

I've since updated the statistic. Here's the article.

Of 130,524 articles from 23 game outlets in a 12-month period, only 0.41% referenced feminism, sexism, or misogyny.

The main problem with this approach is that I looked at only six keywords (feminism, feminist, sexism, sexist, misogyny, and misogynist). We're seeing results based on only articles that explicitly bring up these subjects. As many pointed out to me in the four days that my two little data points were trending, you can talk about feminist issues without talking about feminism.

I have an exhaustive "women's issues" query waiting to be executed on a real database once I get all of the data migrated over. There are around 50 keywords and phrases. However, the initial unrefined results in Outlook suggested 1-2%, so we'd still not be talking about world domination levels.

For comparison, across the same number of articles, outlets, and months:

• 17.8% referenced every variation of PlayStation 4,
• 5.61% referenced every variation of free-to-play,
• 3.89% referenced every case-sensitive variation of Call of Duty,
• 3.46% referenced every variation of realism and immersion, and
• 0.25% referenced Peter Molyneux.

Interestingly, a combined 0.45% of the articles mentioned Peter Molyneux and Cliff Bleszinski.

We can legitimately say that journalists talk more often about these two men than they bring up feminism, sexism, or misogyny.

[BarchKing]

so how did Peter Molyneux do it?

[Tuba]

I believe this is relevant to the discussion: