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« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2015, 06:46:07 AM » |
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« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2015, 06:58:27 AM » |
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i actually sort of agree with this oops. it's what soured me on the game, and im not a completionist and usually take the "good" path in games when there is a choice.
edit: i just googled the post and the reasoning is typical gamergate bs that i ofc don't agree with. but the feeling of constantly being judged and the game coming with this weird expectation to care about the characters the way you would care about real people made it too stressful to play for me. in the end i have to put my own mental well-being over playing a hyped videogame, even if its an admittedly very good one.
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« Last Edit: October 04, 2015, 07:03:45 AM by Silbereisen »
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« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2015, 07:36:44 AM » |
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a i the only one that never felt judged? i probably made the same actions as cas and i simply went forward with the game and finished it (except for one character, but it was her loss, not mine, HA HA!). I am replaying it because it seems a quest branchline only opens on a second play no matter what you do.
from what i have read, the actual bad ending seems to require you pretty much that you ask the game to judge you. like, hey you fucking game piece of shit, loook how completely deplorable i am, judge meeeeeeeeee!
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« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2015, 08:02:53 AM » |
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it's totally my problem and not the game's. this is like the first game with a guilt trip that actually works. i'm just bad at handling it due to my tendency to take shit like this to heart (even tho i didnt kill anyone except 1 character).
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« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2015, 09:16:11 AM » |
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yeah i think there's a reasonable criticism in there somewhere. i just love GG "logic" and undertale
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« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2015, 09:44:04 AM » |
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This argument has been brought up a few times on the Undertale boards, not just by this guy.
The end of the game does pose the act of fighting for exp and gold as being selfish in unambiguous language. Genocide mode as a whole is ironic because mechanically it is a bog-standard RPG, except twisted that nobody calls you a hero.
The end of Genocide mode also marks your save in such a way that you are permanently reminded of your choice. This has frustrated more than a few players who are upset that experiencing genocide mode ensures all future playthroughs have a downer ending, despite being 99% the same as the "best" ending.
The counterargument is that the developer clearly doesn't believe in this message - in addition to Undertale he's produced Earthbound hacks that utilize standard RPG mechanics without judging the player. The developer pretty clearly has presented the argument "against" RPGs and completionists just as a hypothetical for this one game.
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« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2015, 11:11:24 AM » |
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honestly tho it's rad as hell that this game creates these kinds of discussions
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« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2015, 11:59:53 AM » |
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 dogsong.mp3 Oh no, they cut "Out of the Park Baseball 2007" off the list  |
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« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2015, 01:34:23 PM » |
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i believe totally uninstalling undertale will clear the save thing (maybe a registry wipe too? idk i haven't done genocide yet) in case you wanna start over and not have it change your true pacifist experience
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« Reply #69 on: October 04, 2015, 01:45:33 PM » |
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but that feels like cheating  |
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« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2015, 02:25:27 PM » |
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well i mean this is presumably once you've done everything |
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« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2015, 02:51:04 PM » |
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Maw's correct - you can clear the data that remembers your genocide run if it bothers you that badly.
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« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2015, 02:58:00 PM » |
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my run is not even close to a genocide run. like i said i only killed 1 character and that was accidental.
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« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2015, 06:00:55 PM » |
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HOLLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED HOW MUCH UNDERTALE REMINDS ME OF CAVE STORY WHEN I FIRST PLAYED IT!! O_o
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« Reply #75 on: October 04, 2015, 07:13:33 PM » |
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HOLLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED HOW MUCH UNDERTALE REMINDS ME OF CAVE STORY WHEN I FIRST PLAYED IT!! O_o
Even the name. Cave StoryUnder Tale |
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« Reply #76 on: October 04, 2015, 07:17:30 PM » |
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and they both happen under a cave!
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« Reply #77 on: October 04, 2015, 07:52:31 PM » |
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Even the name.
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« Reply #78 on: October 05, 2015, 03:24:25 AM » |
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also both of them tell a story
the thot plickens
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« Reply #79 on: October 05, 2015, 04:07:43 AM » |
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