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« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2009, 01:30:22 PM »

I like Oracles version the most so far, but I dislike the long tale..mostly due to playing "WORMS" to much as  a youngster.
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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2009, 01:37:26 PM »

Well, I've played niether that much, so I'll leave the decicion up to you guys.
Just wanted to mention that this is starting to run in a circle...  Droop
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2009, 01:44:03 PM »

I like the long tail. It makes him look more distinct.

That said, at this point, I'd like to just see some sprites.
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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2009, 10:59:44 AM »

The new one looks great to me! But I still don't get where you get that bandana thingie from, in worms the worm put on something like that when doing "kamikaze" put I have never seen anything like it in liero... Huh?
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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2009, 11:18:23 AM »

Call it a creative liberty. Wink
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« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2009, 11:19:24 AM »

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« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2009, 11:24:06 AM »

What, is that so thought so devious?
I just like it as a little style accessoire, but it's just personal preference...
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« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2009, 11:31:41 AM »

I'd say keep the bandanna. I haven't played Liero, but I've played Worms a couple of times, so that feature was what made me say "oh, I get, this is the Worms guy" and realize how to use his gunplay to my advantage. Still, for people who've played liero but not Worms, I'd like to know if it confused any of you.
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« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2009, 12:39:20 PM »

I'm out  Shrug
I have no time, which is particularly different when I decided to try and help.
I will still hover and help when I can.
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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2009, 12:55:29 PM »

I haven't played Liero, but I've played Worms a couple of times, so that feature was what made me say "oh, I get, this is the Worms guy"

Yeah, that's what I think is wrong with it, because it's not the worms guy  Shrug
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« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2009, 02:21:00 PM »

But isn't Liero kind of a demake of Worms?
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« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2009, 05:49:05 PM »

I haven't played Liero, but I've played Worms a couple of times, so that feature was what made me say "oh, I get, this is the Worms guy"

Yeah, that's what I think is wrong with it, because it's not the worms guy  Shrug

Mm, yeah, I see your point. While it makes him more recognizable to a wider audience, it's not quite faithful to the source... Huh?
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« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2009, 02:39:01 PM »

So, here's the new concept art:


Contrary to popular opinion, apparently, I love that sketch! Grin That's exactly how I'd imagined the Liero worm when I was trying to do some concept sketches for a project of my own a while back. I just never could get it to look like that. Perfecto. Smiley

And as far as this concept art verses the others with segments/long tails, if you're trying to do the Liero worm, this one is it exactly. The segments, long tail, etc. don't look like the Liero sprites at all in my opinion, but rather like stuff from very first Team 17 Worms games.
[Example 1 (click)]
[Example 2 (below)]

That's what I think it shouldn't look like. I never liked the original Worms character design much at all. The cute factor just isn't really there. (Their Worms 2/Armageddon sprites were much better, but I digress.) If that's what you're going for, go for it, but it's just not Liero in my opinion.

As far as the headband goes, I think, as mentioned, it blends the two major worm characters together a bit. It adds a nice Worms Armageddon-style touch that can lead Liero-ignorant players to mistaking it for the Team 17 worm and therefore opening the character to a wider audience. Also, a headband doesn't seem unfitting to me on a Liero worm, as one of the more popular graphics mods for Liero was Ninja worm, a worm with a red headband:


Just my $0.02.

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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2009, 07:14:17 PM »

Yeah, what he said. Also, I like Kovski's new concept best. The segmentedness of Oracles' never seemed to match up with the true Liero Worm.
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« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2009, 09:57:08 PM »

I like the anatomy of the new concept art, and if you like it, let the headband stay.

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« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2009, 11:51:54 PM »

I Agree! GentlemanHand Thumbs Up Right
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« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2009, 01:31:42 PM »

Hey thanks Feliz, great to get some input from the Liero/Worms experts!  Beer!

Alright, to get some actual movement into this, I gave the first sprite a shot:



It was done a bit sloppy and quick so the colors, shading, contrast, etc all could use quite some improvement. But I hope it suffices as a template that motivates others, so please, by all means, edit away!

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« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2009, 01:47:17 PM »

It was done a bit awesome
Fixed it for you.

The sprite looks great. Now my roommate will stop calling Liero an octopus.
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« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2009, 01:57:08 PM »



Tiny edit. I made Liero a bit shorter, to fit his light weight.
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« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2009, 02:45:59 PM »

I much prefer Kovski's sprite to Jim's. Jim's sprite just seems to be too cluttered, and the details aren't very easy to make out.
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