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[Daruman]

This one...what is it? I want to watch it.

[Alevice]

Mind game.

[Alevice]

For suplementary purposes:

[Ashkin]

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10/10

I finished watching Bakemonogatari. I'm not really sure what to make of it, but goshdarn is it stylish+pretty+nice-sounding.
Especially confused by all that red scene/black scene stuff. Does that have to do with the emotions going on during that part?

[Alevice]

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10/10

The manbaby we all have inside deep in our anus is so proud.

[nekokoneko]

Nisemonogatari at its finest.

[gimymblert]

The pain! The fury!

  Hey stop it, this one is fantastic, I apologize that the english "dub" totally kill it with hell burning fire but the french dub does have the whole mythological poetic epicness it deserve .... DONT RUIN MY CHILDHOOD!!!!!! 

[Alevice]

I actually watched the Latin American dub, my mna. And you have to admit that technically speaking, the animationw as terrible often.

[gimymblert]

Well largely offset by great storytelling (even if the story is simple), great sense of timing (largely at loss in many modern anime), just plain charisma, great composition of frame, and great choregraphy overall (not bizarro complex animation fantasm style of choregraphy that border more mannerism than actual emotional composition). Totally aware of its limitation and play with it by putting emphasis on posing, rythm and pause. I would say IT IS good animation, ie actually convey a lot using every of the capacity available. Also the concept and design is insane and very clever. How it mixed mythology with sentai tropes was full of win, the whole concept of armor and their class is mind blowing to me.

The first time I watch that it was a revelation, It teach me timing is important, and that when I found something that could have been good and had good production value, more than often it was timing that was not great.

[phubans]

AYG, I get what you're trying to say but I think you could have used better examples on both sides. Let's examine:

Well I'm not even going to get into the details of the oldschool anime you've posted, because it might be from the same period I'm talking about, but it's not even on the same level of production quality, popularity, and overall "classic" greatness of the anime I'm referencing, but maybe that wasn't really clear from my argument. Can you really say that Akira features sterile, lazy environments? Or that FotNS has bland, one-dimensional characters? Or that Golgo 13 was anything less than a moving story wrapped in some really avante-garde animation techniques for its time?

As for the new stuff, well, unless you can do better I'm not really convinced that it holds the same "spirit" or whatever as classic anime. For one, I feel that CG has largely killed anime. Even if 80s anime featured a very basic background, these were actual paintings, and there's a "life" that shines through in the nuance of each stroke that isn't really there in digital anime. And really, that might be my biggest problem with now VS then; we lost a lot more than you'd think in the switch from traditional/practical effects to modern ones. Just my opinion...

[gimymblert]

The moe trend did kill anime for me, while I did enjoy lucky star (the first moe blob i'have seen and his in direct following of slice of life anime) it quickly turn into a blur as they start to all feel the same. BUT there is still nice anime being made, they are just harder to find behind the moe stuff and i'm just wary to look past the annoying moe stuff to find the good bit in the moe good. One lucky star is enough, more is overdose. And even non moe anime fall in the trap of ultra mangafication where they became too self referential to give a shit (say the man who like melancholy of haruhi but because of the genious out of order episode) ... Also new animator just don't have the touch some old master had ... they have skills but less flair, it's more about "manganime" tropes than storytelling!

[Alevice]

AYG, I get what you're trying to say but I think you could have used better examples on both sides.

I deliberatedly picked some terrible examples for each of my cases, for the sake of mirroring the mediocre meme picture you posted (choosing a high quality old school anime and a low quality modern one), specially when neither truly represent an average of what existed back then and what exists today. Hell, the sad thing is that everything I posted was mainstream from its era (Sailor Moon, Saint Seiya, Dai no Daibouken, Ghost Sweeper Mikami).

I can understand your gripe from CG, but truth of the matter, it has been one of the things that has helped keep the industry alive. Back in 1995 and such anime productions were obscenely expensive to produce, and they rarely got a large profit. Werent for Evangelion (both from a sociocultural and production standpoint), the whole industry could have banished.

Sure, there is mediocre stuff produced today, but that could have been said of any era. I could make a huge list of terrible anime of the past that I willed to endure just because it was animu lol. The important thing is to learn what great product has each era produced and enjoy it.

I must admit however, that as of late, I have moved to manga, probably because there is far less exectuive meddling, and I can read it at my own pace.

[Blademasterbobo]

phubans is just getting old. old people always think media from the era they grew up in is better. "you kids listen to trash, back in my day you could actually understand what the singer was singing!!!"

you won't win this debate, it's always going to be "but my mediocre examples are more accurate, your mediocre examples are just exceptions that don't represent the true greatness of the era!"

[Aik]

I think there's enough variety in anime that whinging about moeshit is silly. If you don't like it, don't watch it - there's plenty of other stuff each season. This is a particularly bad season to be complaining about it given the different things that are on. I'm watching two romantic comedies, one sports show, a fantasy parody, a historical war story, two straight-up action shows, one cyberpunk, one near-future science fiction, futuristic fantasy gang battles, a magical battle revenge story, a post-apocalyptic drama, a fantasy/science fiction cross, and an Arabian Nights inspired fantasy. There are a couple of other decent shows on that I dropped just because I don't have time to watch everything.

Of these, one looks like generic moeshit, and it's actually quite good.

[gimymblert]

Come on you still have "the scene" and "the girl", btw manga is all about endless permutation of genre to give illusion of diversity, no modern manga belong to one genre only, you either have the sifi ecchi slice of life thriller, or the fantastic comedy ecchi, the aventure fantastic thriller, etc... and with the exact same tropes and structure from the genre they draw one, the character are either "how to draw manga" drop off, or "logo character" nonsense. I tried to look for something this year ... NOT! All of them look like I had seen them. They have quality, but it's quality from deriving and redoing the same shit over and over again. I'm burnt sorry.

[ink.inc]

punpun

[gimymblert]

Well I should have said: ANIME, it's hard to "find" the great from the "repeat" :||

[Aik]

No harder than any other medium, I think. How are you looking?

[gimymblert]

How I'm supposed to look?
BTW there was more good anime just after my teen so no nostalgia, I do like some anime from my childhood, but they are only a few. BTW US series picked up quality when anime was dropping.
Nothing TOP GITS second season yet too, no movie top honneamisu, there is no ambitious project anymore it seems, except "visually" in some sort.
I just don't find them as easily has before.
No surprise != no quality

[The Monster King]

i got nothing against fist of the north star but the characters in it are pretty flat yo