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[michael]

nitro ya, if you press down at anytime during the jump then you just do the stomp, but if you hit it within the last critical moment you do the wave attack to. that simplifies it and adds an element of risk because if you go for the wave attack theres a greater chance that you wont execute anything. good idea!

godsavant im thinking that it may still use a little blip, to prevent people from mindless constant tossing

[salade]

liking the brave, but there should be some sort of a normal melee swing that takes no spirit, just so he is never truly helpless.

[Cheater‽]

liking the brave, but there should be some sort of a normal melee swing that takes no spirit, just so he is never truly helpless.

But he won't run out of spirit as long as he stays with the team.

[Valter]

I think slow spirit regen would make sense in this sort of context.

[michael]

oh definitely spirit regen. so its impossible to be unable to attack. its just that if youre careless you'll suffer a slow attack rate

[Loren Schmidt]

im wary this generic rider idea, and the mounting/dismounting of various animals. this both adds a lot of complexity to the balancing and technical aspects of the game and waters down the tight simplicity of the game design, which is very important to me. my hope was to design this game around strong archetypes of the culture, boiling down details and elements into a rich and hearty broth. i dont know if i articulated my point very well.

I support your desire to make a simple, solid game rather than a game with a million components!

Does the brave a standard melee attack, Michael? Also since we're discussing attack moves, how do player collisions work? Can we pass through enemies, or do they act like bariers? Pardon me if you discussed these points earlier, I was unclear on the matter.


Brave- the tomahawk seems fun. Also for the whirl attack, how about this? It's an aerial version, and it damages anything within its largish radius. I'm imagining the attack lasts for most of the duration of the jump. I think this might be well suited for multiplayer.

[JLJac]

Are you going to aim with the mouse? That will complicate things a little I think, and propably make it a bit harder to balance. Why not a classic platform movement? Also I thought the brave's standard attack was going to be short ranged...  Is this going to be a close range fighting game or more of a shooter?

[michael]

whenever i try to imagine a basic short range attack for the brave i just get this vision of a big pile of people running around frantically, bumping into each other and swinging blindly. to me it seems like a such a close range attack would just make things garbled. there isnt enough resolution in this game to have a respectable close range combat system for the brave. for the chief it would work better because the spear is long and the combat would be similar to fencing because of the shield. but ya, for the brave, i felt like only having the ranged weapon would spread out the combat and allow more room for skill.

and concerning collision, i was thinking that you would pass through your team members but not your enemies.

[godsavant]

and concerning collision, i was thinking that you would pass through your team members but not your enemies.

SPY CHECKER.

[michael]

ya, i think thats fine. it would make the situation of being completely invisible less cheap

[Valter]

I still think you should have a distinct black outline when you camouflage, so that people can find you if they're really trying.

Maybe the cultivators could make a trap things that un-camouflages scouts?

[Carrie Nation]

I'm ending my lurking ways just to post here and tell you how great both the concept and art are for this game. I'm really looking forward to it and check this topic daily.

[Xion]

Maybe the cultivators could make a trap things that un-camouflages scouts?

A plant that periodically spits out spores that cover nearby enemies, not only making them visible but making them glow!

[Loren Schmidt]

whenever i try to imagine a basic short range attack for the brave i just get this vision of a big pile of people running around frantically, bumping into each other and swinging blindly ... i felt like only having the ranged weapon would spread out the combat and allow more room for skill.

This makes sense. So you're imagining a fair number of shortish range, but non-melee attacks?

I like the glowing idea. I think a specialized detector plant would be a little wobbly in an action game, so how about tacking the ability on to a plant with another primary function (such as cursing opponents or firing like a turret)? Just stack the anti-stealth effect with the plant's primary attack.

[FishyBoy]

I have a few quick questions.

5. hold down left and right key + attack two swing around in a close range whirl attack. this move could possibly be continuous, ending only when the player releases the mouse or spirit runs out.

If two whirls collide, do both players get damaged, or do both just fly back a bit?

Also, if you throw a tomahawk at someone who's whirling, does it cancel his whirl?

Actually, I think it'd be pretty neat if you could deflect small projectiles like the Scout's arrows by whirling.

[Robotacon]

I love this project. Everything with platformer and team in it has a core of pure win.
With that said, this game need a "simple" prototype for play testing.
Team based games demand testing and shouldn't be overly designed in advance.

[michael]

agreed, im going to get right on that as soon as this yoyo game competition is over. so sorry to keep people waiting, but progress will occur! feel free to continue discussing crap thought

[salade]

regarding scouts stealth: how does it work? can he blend into anything or just certain backrounds?

[nihilocrat]

Makes me wonder... has anyone made a game where you go on a vision quest?

This game looks like it could be pretty awesome. Have you done any concrete programming work on it yet?

[Pishtaco]

Makes me wonder... has anyone made a game where you go on a vision quest?

King of Dragon Pass. But they kind of sucked, and kept me from finishing the game.